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  •  Why is every other diary about Palin? (1+ / 0-)
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    She's an unqualified VP pick that, like all VP picks, will have little impact on the race.

    Lets get back to kicking McSame's ass.

    •  Because, frankly, (8+ / 0-)

      she's got us spooked.  We're freakin'.

    •  But this is a good one (18+ / 0-)

      I'm not interested in the other crap that's been posted about her, but this is a good diary about a serious issue.

      "People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power." WJC

      by BoiseBlue on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 01:54:10 PM PDT

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      •  that is the point of all the fluff (6+ / 0-)

        to obscure the realities.

         Look for the path of kickbacks and campaign contributions from this pipeline co, which is more likely to get to try anyway, to claim their 1.5 billion prize.
         She was thinking ahead.

        Reepers privatize the profits, 'publicize' the losses.

        Obama: One Spouse, One House

        by KenBee on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:38:03 PM PDT

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        •  Agreee about the 'fluff'. (0+ / 0-)

          "Troopergate" is unlikely to become anything more than circumstantial.  The "values issues" - abortion, Creationism - are just more distraction for us but a critical part of her appeal to a specific part of the Republican coalition.  I highly doubt that this will be enough to put McCain/Palin in the WH come this November, but I no longer think that this was even the point of her selection as VP candidate.  THAT, in itself, was her "reward" from the National Republican Party for what she's accomplished promoting certain gas/oil development interests in Alaska.  THAT is her "kickback."

          Palin is fairly articulate and she will charm a large portion of her party's faithful, regardless of her current qualifications for national office.  And, when the ticket loses, it will be McCain who takes all the blame for the failure, not Palin.  My guess is that Palin wins a US Senate seat in 2010 (when we've all more or less forgotten about her) and then, in 2016 or 2020, with that seasoning under her belt, she's again put on the Republican Presidential ticket, perhaps even at the top.

          Some folks prefer a map and finding their own route. Others need someone to tell them where to go.

          by sxwarren on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 04:57:45 AM PDT

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    •  Any criticism of Palin must be on merits, which (18+ / 0-)

      means some poor soul has to dig to find out what the merits are. Oil is a big McCain issue anyway, and the 'hockey mom' doesn't look like an oil and gas hawk doing something this complex unless you can cite what she did. I don't recall her mentioning she did this when she was nominated, nor McC either, but it is surely relevant, and simply amplifies his singlemindedness on the subject of oil and drilling.

      •  Merits (0+ / 0-)

        Christy:

        I agree -- merits are where this should be. Unfortunately you've missed the mark on this issue. It pains me.

        Palin is NOT "in bed" with the companies. Nor with TC. She really is an independent person trying to do right, by her lights, by the state. And frankly, she's shown enormous courage in taking the industry on in doing so. Heck, she raised oil production taxes by an ongodly amount.

        That said Palin is not in step with a lot of where the country is. That's where the criticism belongs.

    •  This diary is researched and informative. (18+ / 0-)

      Its what Dkos does.

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      by ROGNM on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 01:56:52 PM PDT

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      •  exactly it is the best of the Palin diaries n/t (4+ / 0-)
      •  This diary is misinformative (1+ / 0-)
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        I am NOT a Palin bot, but there are TONS of errors here. I try to point out some of them in an earlier reply.

        •  Errors or not, this diary HAS value (1+ / 0-)
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          in that it's the first one I've seen that begins to examine Palin's relationship to the Alaskan Oil/Gas industry.  This and the (yet to be detailed) play-by-play of her dealings with the "old guard, Murkowski wing" of Alaskan politics are, IMHO, far more important in understanding Palin's future in the national Republican Party vision than her stance on social issues or her current inexperience.

          But, the main reason this diary is valuable is that it raises the hypothesis that inspires folks like you to correct the record and provide the meaningful detail that you have.

          For your comments, if for no other reason, this diary should get rec'd up for all to see and then file away to be connected with new information as it comes out.

          Some folks prefer a map and finding their own route. Others need someone to tell them where to go.

          by sxwarren on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 05:13:27 AM PDT

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          •  Not "no value", but yes, full of misinformation (1+ / 0-)
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            Dialogue is good. But the original post was full of incorrect assumptions and interpretations, let alone incorrect understanding of the AGIA legislation itself. I suppose that getting the ball rolling on dialogue is worthwhile, but personally I'd have been much happier if the facts had been properly dealt with.

            I've always been uncomfortable when the desire for winning distorts the facts. And the post seemed to characterize just this sort of a situation.

            Palin's dealings with the old guard of Alaskan politics have been pretty exemplary. Really, there's little to fault her on there.

    •  I think we still win (1+ / 0-)
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      But she could hurt us somewhat.

      Right now she has a REALLY positive image in some circles.

      We've GOT to bring that down to reality and the only way is by digging up the dirt that already exists on her so she doesn't have some squeaky clean reformer image (which is obviously a GROSS simplification of a very brief political career).

      Obama had a squeaky clean image when he was first elected, now he still has a good image, but people are more realistic now.

      With Palin, the press and conservatives are still in the honeymoon phase and we can't let that persist.

      •  Underestimating Palin (1+ / 0-)
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        The biggest danger is in underestimating the woman. She has a marvelous touch with the public, and a very VERY good ear. She's also a pretty genuine person.

        I really do think that her biggest vulnerability is her inexperience and lack of knowledge.

        a) She wanted to do something about health care in the state last regular session and totally botched it;

        b) She doesn't have any long-range fiscal plan for the state, nor does she appear to be developing one;

        c) A significant piece of her "energy relief" package was the suspension of the state gas tax (already the lowest in the country). This will do nothing for in-state consumers, who already have some of the highest pump prices in the nation. Why? Because the refineries in the state have pricing (monopoly) power. And, with such power why on earth does anyone think that consumers will benefit?

        d) She fired a popular, effective Commissioner of Public Safety who was by all accounts doing a fine job. The only stated reason? She wanted to take things in a "new direction" which appears the identical direction that he was pursuing.

        Against such mis-steps is the very real fact that she does want to try to do the best for the state, as she sees it. Don't place your hope in "gotchas" against her -- she's not at all dumb, and she won't screw up in the campaign. The only real hope is to highlight the substantive choice available in the election, and draw out her inexperience and total lack of understanding of national and international issues.

        •  I don't. The instigation for the post was (0+ / 0-)

          the need to get away from the hottie stuff, the peculiarity that much of her experience was spent as council member and mayor of a town with fewer residents than my block, "Sarah Barracuda",  the lawsuit about the bungled eminent domain matter in Wasilla, the troopergate mess, and the hockey mom and mooseburger stuff  about her we are getting down here, and to see how she handled an issue while Governor which was not the routine small scale constituent service sort. Women down here wouldn't tolerate that for HRC and don't want to have to rely on that for Mrs. Palin either, but that means we gotta dig for what else we can find.  You can be a breathtakingly competent person who is a hockey mom, eats mooseburgers and that stuff and once won a beauty contest and was a sports commentator, but we are not getting the competence in the media down here, only the bizarre mooseburger and beauty contest parts. And more than most of us ever wanted to know about little Trig and now Bristol. So I went looking for it.

          The Alaska Daily News said she had passed only two bills of note, of which AGIA was one and the ethics reform required of any politican after the huge FBI-IRS driven scandal in the legislature was the other. I picked one, not the ethics bill because when I read it, it was full of codes and underlinings and bolds  and alternative language items in caps and brackets, which made it difficult to figure out whether the exemption of the Governor and Lt. Gov was in the original statute or the new legislation. And I did not find anything useful in the newspapers to further illuminate the intended changes other than increases in disclosure and public filings of assets and business activity.

          If you have information which illiminates competence issues, by all means post it.

          •  The ADN seems to have forgotten oil tax reform (0+ / 0-)

            Palin took on the oil companies when the corruption surrounding oil tax changes under Murkowski came to light. The resulting legislation -- ACES -- brings in a HUGE increase in revenue to the state. The companies freaked out but totally lost. It's a shocker, actually. In this state that's hardly minor.

    •  Because Palin again demonstrates McCains decision (0+ / 0-)

      making ability or should I say lack of decision making ability!

      George "Jubilation T. Cornpone" Bush - "When we almost had 'em but the issue still was in doubt, Who suggested the retreat that turned it into a rout?"

      by pelarson on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:42:20 PM PDT

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