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  •  where to run? (none)
    If Chimpy gets re-elected and institutes a draft of any sort, there's no way in hell I'm marching off to war (I'm 22). So if it happens, what next? Where do people like me run?

    A few thoughts:

    1. Canada has a treaty with the United States that would allow draft-dodgers to be easily returned. Unless the coalition parties in the present Canadian administration put extraordinary pressure on Paul Martin, I'm not optimistic that the Canadian government will ignore the treaty.

    2. Does anyone have any other ideas about where to run?

    Most other first-world countries will allow Americans in as visitors for an indefinite amount of time, but have fairly rigid standards for granting work permits. Not-so-good for poor graduate students like me.
    •  If this isn't a rhetorical question... (none)
      Start applying for graduate school in foreign countries.  Get your second Masters degree in a different field.  Take your pick, a lot foreign countries have universities of reasonable quality that teach all their classes in English.    You might be able to get permission to work as a student (teaching English, etc.) to cover some expenses.  Start applying, line up some possibilities, get accepted, defer for 1 or 2 years while you see which way the wind blows.

      But really, don't worry about it.  John Kerry is going to win.

    •  dodging 101 (none)
      I think there should be instructions on how to bug out of the US if necessary.

      Bush must love poor people. He keeps making so many of them.

      by Slacker Gal on Sat Oct 09, 2004 at 11:04:25 PM PDT

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    •  Canada and the worse case scenario (none)
      Martin is in a minority government position in Canada which spells NO POWER or very little and a lot of shit being flung by the opposition parties (yes we have a 4-party system here). Harpoon is trying desperately to find a magic pill that will force a non-confidence vote against Martin and take power. He's in the Bush camp all the way (backed by Mulroney). The next strongest opposition party is the Bloc Quebecois which doesn't give a shit about the US unless there's a dollar bill attached and they are a separatist party in the Federal legislature (oxymoronic to the Nth degree). The only hope to overturn the "safe borders act" lies in the NDP with Jack Layton. He's more pro-labour, anti-corporate owned and operated government. He's not in the US pocket per se and would probably overturn the act given enough pressure from the citizenry.

      Consider New Zealand. My daughter is going down there to do her teacher's college next year. Avoid Australia b/c their gov't. is trying desperately to win brownie points from the US. Mexico is probably a good bet but don't forget they're signators of NAFTA and who the hell knows what's in that agreement. Looks pretty dismal for you yanks and I sympathize with you.

      This week I listened to a segment on democracynow.org that included a presidential debate of the seven "other" candidates running for the presidency. All seven, without exception, declared they would pull out of Iraq. Vote Kerry to get Bush out, but don't give him a free ride and start promoting and contributing to one of the other 7 parties that will be in the race for 2008.

      Pssst ... there are mad men in the White House.

      by banjon on Sat Oct 09, 2004 at 11:58:36 PM PDT

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    •  I plan to do jail time (none)
      Instead of running.  To each their own though.  New Zealand is definitely an option.
    •  Sweden. (none)

      A lie is halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on -- Mark Twain

      by jnagarya2 on Sun Oct 10, 2004 at 07:28:12 AM PDT

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    •  I would advise staying and fighting it publicly (none)
      Instead of running, spending time publicly speaking out against it, making a big deal in the media, etc. is what could end the draft, rather than just avoiding it.

      On the other hand, if you had a family and didn't want to risk it, I'd advise learning a little Spanish and going to Mexico.  It's fairly easy to get a job teaching English at colleges and high schools.

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