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  •  Re: Punish Party Wreckers (2.25)
    I'm being harsh in passing out troll ratings for: any nasty personal insults, calls for primary challenges, or any other "divisive" comments that are supposedly no go if directed at Dean.

    I'm simply tired of reading comments by people outraged by "sleazy attacks" in the same thread as "sleazy attacks." I'm tired of reading how we need to have party unity in the same thread as calls for driving people out of the party with records more liberal and traditionally Democratic in the name of someone who has done almost zippo for national Democratic causes.

    It's more in sadness than in anger that I will be more generous in handing out low ratings for posts. I will also try and give good ratings for what I view as sensible posts in the same threads that I hand out low ratings. I certainly realize that this will have no effect on anyone's behavior, certainly not the irrational hypocrites among them (you Matt I would not classify in that manner since you did not post some foul insult), but rather than spend my time in fruitless flamewars I'll just point and click. That's just my take...minority view that it is.

    Peace, freedom and a few less fat bastards eating all the pie

    by JPP on Wed Dec 17, 2003 at 04:46:26 PM PST

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    •  Re: Punish Party Wreckers (none)
      OK, so you readily admit to abusing the rating system. This is a real problem on this forum and you admit to being a part of it.

      I'll be requesting Kos to ban your account now...

      "Let them do the software in India; we'll do other things in this country" -- Wesley Clark

      by Ray in TX on Wed Dec 17, 2003 at 05:36:28 PM PST

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    •  Re: Punish Party Wreckers (none)
      JPP,

      I am sympathetic to your overall point, but I would ask you not to rate me as a troll.  The community software is structured specifically to not show people troll posts.

      This was not an attack on an attack and it was not disingenuous.  Therefore, I respectfully request you reconsider your rating.

      •  Re: Punish Party Wreckers (none)
        I'm sorry, I just have no sympathy for calls for primary challenges. This is not a Traficant situation, nor even a Zell Miller case (which is closer). This is a call for political retaliation against people who have served the party and progressive causes for decades. That's crap and I don't have to view it with anything other than contempt.

        I'd add that before requesting that I change my rating you go back and read your post. It contains a gross distortion - intentional or not - about Congressman Gephardt and Senators Kerry and Lieberman. When did they ever call Dean unpatriotic? They've all said he's not up to the job, in one way or another, but have never questioned his patriotism - nor have they questioned his commitment to Democratic values. Can Howard Dean or his supporters say the same?

        I see attack's against Dean's capability and qualifications, but none against his character or integrity. I'm not buying what's being sold here by the "outraged" masses.

        Peace, freedom and a few less fat bastards eating all the pie

        by JPP on Wed Dec 17, 2003 at 06:10:44 PM PST

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        •  Re: Punish Party Wreckers (none)
          Don't change the subject to primary challenges.  I'm not a troll and you know it.  Now please just show some good judgment and take it back.
          •  Re: Punish Party Wreckers (none)
            You implied that they called Dean unpatriotic and called for them to face a primary challenge. Are you saying that you didn't?

            I already showed good judgment and I have no inclination to go back on it.

            Peace, freedom and a few less fat bastards eating all the pie

            by JPP on Wed Dec 17, 2003 at 06:28:08 PM PST

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        •  Re: Punish Party Wreckers (none)
          What?

          Since when is a primary challenge a bad thing?

          I understand not being crazy about term limits, but now we're not supposed to run primary challengers against incumbents because... because why, again?

          By the way, there have been plenty of attacks against Dean's character and integrity -- check the Kerry site for endless idiocy about "waffles," for example.

          •  Re: Punish Party Wreckers (none)
            I think it's perfectly fine in most circumstances. I mean being elected once doesn't entitle you to office for life. However, there is a world of difference btw the dissatisfaction of your constituents regarding your service and cheap political retaliation.

            Now w/o the former actually being present I think all the machinations on here amounts to so much juvenile plotting - doesn't make it less disgusting though.

            Peace, freedom and a few less fat bastards eating all the pie

            by JPP on Wed Dec 17, 2003 at 06:34:11 PM PST

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            •  Re: Punish Party Wreckers (none)
              I agree.

              But I don't understand why you'd prefer to resort to ratings to make this point.

              It's much better made by posting a reply.  I think you've made an excellent point, and it's one which I might not have thought about had Matt not called you out to explain your rating.

              People can debate all day about whether or not you're abusing the ratings system, but there's no such issue when it comes to posting a reasoned response.  So do us all a favor and tell us what you're thinking instead.  I got something out of it, and I'm sure others will too.

        •  Re: Punish Party Wreckers (none)
          I'm sorry, I just have no sympathy for calls for primary challenges. This is not a Traficant situation, nor even a Zell Miller case (which is closer). This is a call for political retaliation against people who have served the party and progressive causes for decades. That's crap and I don't have to view it with anything other than contempt.

          You're entitled to your contempt, of course and your disagreement but what you're not entitled to is abuse of the ratings system. Trolls bait, insult or post misinformation. That is not what Matt was doing and not what most of the posts you've been handing out '1's' to over the past few days were doing.

          "With a healthy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects, I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them." Donald Rumsfe

          by colleen on Thu Dec 18, 2003 at 11:15:23 AM PST

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