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  •  As such, that is very old (4.00)
    I remember reading editorials with this back circa 1976, in The Wanderer (cranky conservative Catholic weekly) - but it also is a "safe" way for him to try to come across as a supporter of civil rights.

    Unlike Brown vs Topeka Board of Education, you won't find many mainstream middle-Americans who would be offended - one of the reasons that the white supremacists have to speak in code (qv Trent Lott) is that just about nobody thinks that slavery was good, but they don't think about it analyticaly either. So it's a "safe" position, because being down on the Dred Scott decision is as American as apple pie, and won't make the Dixiecrat element of his base twitchy with fears of him "pandering" to minorities, either.

    This is apparently what passes for slick crowd-pleasing rhetoric in Rove's brain...

    "Don't be a janitor on the Death Star!" - Grey Lady Bast (change @ for AT to email)

    by bellatrys on Sat Oct 09, 2004 at 06:24:44 PM PDT

    •  Yep. All good liberals hated the Dred Scott (none)
      decision so (1) no one will question their criticism of Dred Scott; and (2) since "liberals" agree that Dred Scott is bad, then they analogize it to abortion & therefore they win.  

      In effect, they believe they are beating us with our own arguments.  They are very much in the business of coopting "liberal" frameworks for right wing purposes because (they believe)liberals therefore can't argue without taking inconsistent positions.

      Furious George: angry, emotional, reactionary.

      by vaughn on Sat Oct 09, 2004 at 11:59:14 PM PDT

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      •  Mindless Simplicity 'R Us (none)
        I don't think you can understand the law at a reasonable lay level and accept the arguments of the wingnuts. Justice Scalia may be conservative in many ways, but, his protestations to the contrary, he is not a strict constructionist and I don't know of any liberals who want him to stop writing Sixth Amendment opinions.

        You really have to have an overly simplistic view of the world to think that all analogies that you make are valid. Is our President really that simplistic? I doubt it, but I do think he is willing to pander to his base and doesn't mind making himself look like a fool if that's what it takes to get a few more votes.

        George Bush is suffering chronic mendacity syndrome.

        by freelunch on Sun Oct 10, 2004 at 12:00:12 PM PDT

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        •  I agree with you. (4.00)
          Scalia hangs his hat on original intent and loves to cite English common law to explain what the founders were thinking when they wrote the consititution.  Breyer, disgusted with Scalia's approach, once wrote an opinion that cited page after page of conflicting English cases to conclude the the English common law was inconclusive.  Essentially, Scalia wants everyone to believe that he is guided by noble principle when, in fact, he can cherry pick from pre-U.S. history to suit his purposes.

          My view is that Bush cares very little about abortion--I don't think its affected his life one way or the other--but he uses the issue to pander for votes in the evangelical Christian community.  I live in TX, grew up in some pretty conservative churches.  Having seen it up close, groupthink, narrowmindedness & bigotry frustrate me to no end.  I think they are wrong to use political means to accomplish a religius agenda--there's no scriptural basis for that tactic.  Beyond that, every chance I get, I tell evangelicals that they are being duped by Bush, taken along for a ride simply because he needs their votes.  Oh, I believe that Bush shares some of the evangelical values--more of the apocalyptic vision, the really scary stuff--let on his own, I doubt that abortion, stem cell, or even gay marriage would ever enter his mind one way or the other.

          Furious George: angry, emotional, reactionary.

          by vaughn on Sun Oct 10, 2004 at 01:30:15 PM PDT

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