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  •  Sixty means nothing (1+ / 0-)
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    The only time when the raw party count counts is in organizing the chamber at the beginning of the session, for which 51 is approximately as good as a much larger number. Beyond that, it's all a matter of mustering votes for: bills; nominees; motions. Adding more Democratic senators who will break ranks and vote with the Republicans on every crucial matter is actually a disadvantage, because the bad work that Congress does is blamed on the party that is nominally in control.

    •  Sixty means everything. (3+ / 0-)
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      Albanius, cjallen, beijingbetty

      Adding more Democratic senators who will break ranks and vote with the Republicans on every crucial matter

      And you have WHAT evidence that the people I listed would do what you suggest?  

      But supposing they did...if we have 60, and 5 defect on the actual VOTE, that still leaves us up 55-45.  All we need is to be able to stop a filibuster, which ANY elected Democrat would be more easily counted upon than ANY elected Republican.

      "Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need."--Tyler Durden

      by Chris Carlson on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 12:11:17 AM PDT

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      •  Individuals not numbers (1+ / 0-)
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        Big Danny

        As far as individual candidates go, I'm totally with you. In particular, I have my hear set on Al Franken winning. I actually gave a check to Rick Noriega at YearlyKos 2006. I'm working in NC these days, and am greatly optimistic about Kay Hagan. And, Scott Kleeb is absolute centrefold material, IMO.

        All these people are solidly on the better Democrats side of the formula. So why push the more Democrats side?

        •  Because even Ronnie Musgrove, (6+ / 0-)

          while he is against equality for gays, abortion, and for the 10 commandments in government buildings, will still stick with us on economic issues.  And on health care and EFCA, we'll need every vote we can get.

          •  Thank you. (4+ / 0-)
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            And Demi...Scott Kleeb can't serve as a "better Democrat" if he loses his election.  And right now, he's down 23 points.  If he were down 7-8, you can rest assured I'd be plugging him ahead of the likes of Ronnie Musgrove.  But this is the world as it is, not as we would like it to be.

            Like I said, until we get to 60+, we still need MORE.  After that point, I will gladly join you in focusing on BETTER.

            "Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need."--Tyler Durden

            by Chris Carlson on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 12:32:45 AM PDT

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            •  Good on ya. We have to be practical here. (4+ / 0-)

              I once remarked that I was disappointed that Brad Henry had decided not to attempt to unseat James Inhoffe, and someone angrily responded that we already had a candidate in Andrew Rice. I was of course totally aware of this fact.

              However, there is no denying that two-term Gov. Brad Henry would stand a better chance at unseating Inhoffe, probably the most despicable member of the Senate.

              Even if someone like Andrew Rice would be a better actual Senator than Brad Henry (which I am not convinced of by the way), I don't give a rat's ass unless he too has a chance to win.

              I live in CA, so I'll vote for the most progressive choice in the primary, but in the OK's and MS's and NE's of the nation I'll take the 'more democrats' and let the CT's and NJ's and WA's worry about getting the 'better democrats' elected.

              We need more AND better democrats. I'd like to see us eventually get back to those FDR-era 65-35 splits, in which case we don't need the Musgrove's and Nelson's and Pryor's, but hell! we need 'em for the time being.

              "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity." -Horace Mann

              by Big Danny on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 12:42:34 AM PDT

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              •  Yes, and remember LBJ (1+ / 0-)
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                Like LBJ said, prefer to have some of these guys "inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in." The worst Democrat in Congress has a better voting record than the best Repub.

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