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  •  I respectfully disagree (1+ / 0-)
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    Why is it so difficult to believe that someone would view Senator Obama's appeal as either celebrity or novelty?  Is that much different that Palin's appeal, at least where novelty is concerned?  I've heard so many people say dumb things like, "I just want to be able to say one day that I was around when we elected the first African America/woman/whatever into office.  How pathetic.  But what is Barack Obama's experience in leading and managing?  As a candidate for the top job, it is absolutely a valid question and one that is deserving of an answer.  Take every Democratic President since we started electing them to office and compare resumes.  Can we honestly say that Barack Obama has equal qualifications?  Joe Biden is immensely more qualified to be president, as is just about every other candidate that ran for office this year.  So, what was the difference? It was his personal appeal at a more emotional level. He reached people and allowed them to believe in him and by extension in themselves and their country.  Tony Robbins does that on a weekly basis, but nobody has asked him to run for office.  The fact of the matter is that despite the selflessness of being a community organizer or even a legislator, that is not leading.  There is little if any accountability involved in being the champion of a losing cause or joining with others to support or vote down a particular bill.  Ethics Reform and Anti-Nuclear Proliferation are commonly highlighted as examples of his "leadership" and efforts to "reach across the aisle".  Can anyone name a politician that would honestly stand up and say that they weren't for ethics reform or wanted nuclear proliferation?  Hardly!    

    Sure, McCain is old, boring, stodgy, not particularly exciting and, until he became the presumptive nominee, about as centrist as a republican candidate has been in quite a number of years; so much so that the press really took to him in the early stages going all the way back to the Iowa Caucuses.  Now he's George Bush reincarnated?  I don't buy it.  He's not perfect.  Since Lincoln, few have been.  I have a hard time believing that he's in the presidential race out of some ego-driven mission to chalk it up on his personal to-do list before he dies.  I believe John McCain is a patriot and that he loves what this country stands for.  I also believe that if there was a viable third party that took some of the more agreeable parts of the Democratic and Republican Parties, he would likely be a member of it.  However as it stands, in order to reach the highest office in the land, one has to choose which, in his or her eyes, represents the lesser of two evils.  

    Democrats should absolutely take Governor Palin and the attention she has brought to the Republican ticket seriously.  If history has taught us anything, its that the American public are a fickle bunch, always looking for the next bandwagon to jump on.  And if there was ever a bandwagon-jumping bunch to be careful of, its the undecided voters that will ultimately decide this election.  

    And why chide McCain for balancing his ticket when Barack Obama did the exact same thing?  My only shock was that he didn't choose HRC for the sure win or New Mexico Governor for the Latino vote and executive gravitas.  The fact of the matter is that each side has obvious weaknesses, and if you cannot admit that your candidate has weaknesses, regardless of which candidate that might be, then hubris will be your downfall.  

    •  mostly agree (0+ / 0-)

      except what McCain has sold his soul for is far, far more malicious than you lay out.

      The 2000 McCain understood that when he took on Falwell and Robertson. He's now running as the titular head of the party of Dobson.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 03:11:16 PM PDT

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      •  Both sides pander to the extreme members of their (0+ / 0-)

        party. If they didn't, they would have no chance of getting elected.  Once in office, there is nothing that absolutely binds them to following up on those promises.  Comparing this election to the election of 2000 isn't apples to apples.  The far Right had significantly less influence on national elections than it does today (as does the far Left), so now it behooves both candidates to give the more extreme yet powerful party groups the attention and at least appearance of respect they believe they deserve.  

        Personally, I don't think there's too many members of Dobson's group that would stay out of the election out of fear that doing so en mass would be tantamount to casting a vote for the other party.  Not acquiescing to Dobson was a bluff that John McCain couldn't afford to make publicly because if Dobson was publicly forced to acknowledge being rebuffed by McCain, it would be McCain who would end up being the scapegoat and provide the "out" that those then wishing to stay out of the election would need to be able to sleep at night.  

        My concern is that we really don't know what Barack Obama's true feelings are. As a young member of the party, he's almost forced to vote in lock-step, as he has, if he ever wants to raise through the ranks.  So, his voting record may be less an indication of his true feelings and more an indication of how well he plays the political game.  One thing is for sure...he doesn't appear to have ever been able to tell a fellow Democrat "no, I won't vote yes on your bill".  Ok, that may be a tad inacurate.  His record cites 97% in alignment with the Democratic party. I don't know what the items that made up the 3% are off hand, but you can agree with my point.  

        Counter that with McCain's 90% voting record.  Well, the devil is in the details.  Take a look at the items that make up that 10% and you can begin to see whether the picture that is being painted of McCain as Bush III is truly accurate.  

        •  sorry (1+ / 0-)
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          the Republicans own the mess we are in. That's what voters get.and if you want to know the rest, see where Dobson and Land and Buchanan and other cultural warriors land.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 08:40:27 AM PDT

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