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  •  i would argue (0+ / 0-)

    her vote was courageous cause she was obviously aware of how it would be perceived with the dem base during a primary.

    listen.  did durbin lack courage because he voted for it?  did clark lack courage because he endorsed that vote??

    It's silly.  the breakdown on the vote defies logic.  some did.  some didn't.  those who did, did for reasons that one can disagree with and respect, those who didn't didn't for their reasons too.  all good people.

    i see no reason to call people cowards because of how they voted on something.

    it didn't lead to war.

    it didn't give bush authority.  

    "two psychics pass each other on the street, one says to the other 'you're doing alright, how am i?'"

    by Edgar08 on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 04:03:04 PM PDT

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    •  yes they were all cowards (0+ / 0-)

      and Clark's "endorsement" of that vote is tenuous. The vote enabled war. The vote gave Bush political authority to proceed. And he did. All the democrats caved and I will always hold it against them, especially the ones who never repented. Her vote was not courageous cuz at the time, it was thought the invasion would be a cakewalk. You are applying today's environment on a vote 6 years ago.

      I like Hillary. And I accept her belated, forced recantation for the vote. But I'm not gonna let you revise history.

      All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

      by SeanF on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 04:09:01 PM PDT

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      •  oh. the iwr (0+ / 0-)

        well ok then.  

        you don't have to let me revise history.  you just have to understand that when rove blames the dems for the war, you must stand up and cheer for him for speaking the truth that so few are capable of saying.

        "two psychics pass each other on the street, one says to the other 'you're doing alright, how am i?'"

        by Edgar08 on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 04:12:15 PM PDT

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        •  ok, you are not reasonable & you are wasting my (0+ / 0-)

          time so fuck off.

          All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

          by SeanF on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 04:15:48 PM PDT

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          •  it's what rove said (0+ / 0-)

            dems wanted the war.

            how can you refute that?  you can't.

            or you can agree with hannity when he calls the dems cowards?  

            or you can look at the vote and come to the same conclusion media matters came to at the time.

            http://mediamatters.org/...

            "two psychics pass each other on the street, one says to the other 'you're doing alright, how am i?'"

            by Edgar08 on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 04:18:27 PM PDT

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            •  we handed Rove that political ammunition (0+ / 0-)

              but why should i cheer? Yes, the dems were cowards. How many times do I have to say it? Bush said so many things to so many people to cover himself. Only an idiot would believe the iwr was for peace, and only a coward would use it as cover. wow, now I hate her again!!!!

              All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

              by SeanF on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 04:27:53 PM PDT

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              •  take your issues and your hate up with the idiots (0+ / 0-)

                at media matters then.

                "two psychics pass each other on the street, one says to the other 'you're doing alright, how am i?'"

                by Edgar08 on Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 04:29:15 PM PDT

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