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  •  To activate that, is the reason for Palin... (5+ / 0-)

    but they have not registered voters at an alarming pace as Obama.  This will be a ground game.  I don't underestimate the RNC, but they do have catch up to do in 8 weeks time.

    •  I am skeptical of registered voter numbers. (3+ / 0-)
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      If these people weren't motivated enough to register to vote on their own, typically they're not motivated enough to go out and vote.

      I may be wrong, and that certainly is what the GOTV effort is all about, but in 2004 we heard all about how new voters would win the election for us, about how cell phone only users were being undercounted, etc etc.

      We got burned with that, and I think it's extremely freaking dangerous to assume that the ground game will be able to compensate for the Republican advantages in messaging and campaigning.

      "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

      by Geekesque on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 09:30:52 AM PDT

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      •  Agreed … but (3+ / 0-)
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        I think that the registration serves, for some people, as an impetus to become involved enough to take the next step come voting day. Not all, surely. And, of course, i'm basically just guessing.

        "They're telling us something we don't understand"
        General Charles de Gaulle, Mai '68

        by subtropolis on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 09:34:42 AM PDT

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      •  The Obama campaign is great at keeping tabs (4+ / 0-)
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        on people it registers to vote and those who attend rallys.  

      •  We did get tons of new progressive voters out (1+ / 0-)
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        The problem was that the other side got even more new voters out.

        Newsflash to bloggers: A black president by itself is A LOT of CHANGE for A LOT of Americans.

        by Newsie8200 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 09:46:42 AM PDT

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      •  Also, IA with this (2+ / 0-)
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        We got burned with that, and I think it's extremely freaking dangerous to assume that the ground game will be able to compensate for the Republican advantages in messaging and campaigning.

        The new voters that Obama brings out will vote for him.

        The problem is with frequent persuadables (people who frequently vote anyway and are considered people either side needs to persuade to win).  This is the part of the equation that continues to get missed by those who tout the Obama field org too much.

        Newsflash to bloggers: A black president by itself is A LOT of CHANGE for A LOT of Americans.

        by Newsie8200 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 09:50:53 AM PDT

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        •  If they're calling the persuadables they're in (0+ / 0-)

          good shape.  If they're relying on the media campaign to do it, they're in trouble because Republican-style campaigning is still the cat's meow when it comes to that sort of thing.

          "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

          by Geekesque on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 09:59:17 AM PDT

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          •  Well, what you want is a layered campaign. (1+ / 0-)
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            that targets infrequent persuadables and frequent persuadables.

            So this means effective, compelling paid media (radio and TV--broadcast and cable), mails, phones, and canvassing. You need everything.

            Right now, the Obama campaign is not getting the most bang for the buck out of its paid media campaign. It just isn't. It's a good ad campaign. Not a great one.  And with a black candidate that is going to get hit not just from McCain and RNC but by all the third party groups (both c4 and 527 ads), the Dem side NEEDS a great ad campaign.

            Newsflash to bloggers: A black president by itself is A LOT of CHANGE for A LOT of Americans.

            by Newsie8200 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 10:16:28 AM PDT

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            •  It's the free media where McCain's people (1+ / 0-)
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              are handing our asses to us.

              We could use a little Clinton-Penn style cynicism from Chicago.

              "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

              by Geekesque on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 10:34:06 AM PDT

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