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  •  Nor little girls in flames (none)
    Literally beaten back by Saudi police as they tried to flee their burning school, all because they weren't wearing proper dress. That happened in Mecca, March 2002.
    •  No, sadly... (none)
      we aren't going to war over that either. We aren't going to war over the genocide in the Sudan or the famine and cannibalism in North Korea, either.

      I'd love to burn, starve, beat or torture these scumbags...believe me. They deserve it. But the sad reality of it all is that they don't have anything we want (except for maybe cheap labor) and they (the offending governments, not the people) don't want anything from us. Hence, no leverage for them to do the right thing.

      In the case of Saudi Arabia, they control oil and we need it... a lot of it. Until that changes, we'll be at their mercy more than they are at ours.

      Need a bumper sticker?
      Bush/Cheney '04: Thanks For Not Paying Attention!

      by mugsimo on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 09:20:55 PM PDT

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      •  Saudi (4.00)
        Though the US has been known to put pressure on the Saudis, for instance when JFK and Johnson forced them to abolish slavery, and on numerous more recent occasions. The influence the US has with them now is much greater, because the US government is the only friend the dynasty has - everyone else in the region hates them and wants to see them come a cropper, same goes for the other great powers - and the Saudi people want to know who's been eating all the pies, where the oil money has gone, and why they don't have a say in running their own country.

        Fahd and his relatives have bankrupted the country over the last 25 years, and they can't turn the oil taps off, because that money and American favour is the only thing that is keeping the regime afloat. The current regent is doing his best, but unless he pulls a rabbit out of the hat the question is revolution, not if, but when. It's a powderkeg situation, and the fuse was lit back in the 1980s.

        Of course, the US now finds itself in the same position as Britain and France dealing with Czarist Russia in the latter years of the 19th century and 1900-17. They don't like the dynasty or its policies, but they fear what the revolution may bring, so stick with the devil they know, to - I suspect - their ultimate detriment. The US could force change on Saudi if it wished, but it may be too late.

        In the end though, the international community will have to deal with Saudi: it's the cancer at the heart of so many of the troubles in the region and the world.

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