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  •  Completely disagree (none)
    Very few countries achieved civil rights progress on their own before the world became so interconnected, and today even fewer do.

    Why is Turkey now seriously trying to stop its police forces from routinely torturing suspects? Because they so desperately want to join the EU, which doesn't accept such practices. Why did Romania stop castrating gay men in the early 1990s? Again, because European countries "coerced" them ... and "empowered" Romanian gay rights activists.

    If the rest of the world gave a flying f^^k about women, Saudi Arabia would have stopped persecuting women decades ago. This is not a question of "respecting" other cultures. This is a matter of respecting the most fundamental rights of all human beings.

    •  well then.... (none)
      why did the US allow women and non-white people to vote? Who's favor were we hoping to gain?
      •  The Women's Suffrage Movement (none)
        was international. Women in America lagged behind those in other English-speaking countries.

        But a much better example of successful international pressure is the end of slavery (all over the world) and the enfranchisement of non-white peoples. Maybe Americans would have accomplishment these without decades of European activism, but would Saudi Arabia have finally ended slavery (in the 1960s)? Would the Swiss have given women the vote (also in the 1960s?). Would the Chinese have ended foot-binding? Would apartheid ever have ended in South Africa? I could go on and on. A huge amount of the progress human beings have made in the last two centuries has been because of international pressure. It matters!

        •  actually, no (none)
          Actually, British and American suffrage happened almost simultaneously, with other countries to follow:

          See Bartleby's on Women's Suffrage

          •  Women's suffrage (none)
            New Zealand was the first country to grant women the vote in 1893. It was the result of a 20 year campaign prompted by concerns about the effects of physical violence and alcohol abuse on women and families.

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