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  •  At Portland (Oregon) State U. (4.00)
    Story from today's student paper these fraudsters.
    •  Looks like OR Sec. of State is overwhelmed (none)
      I called Salem to report the incident I mentioned on earlier threads and to try to get an idea of the Sec. of State Dept of elections response to the situation. I can't say I'm encouraged.

      First of all, the only way to report an instanse of voter registration fraud is in writing to the Sec. of State office of elections in Salem OR (or via fax). They have no forms to do this on. It has to be in letter form, so you just sort of have to guess if you are giving complete information. The Sec. of State Office of Elections and Multnomah County Elections office disagrees whether County elections offices can recieve registration fraud complaints. Salem says they can. Multnomah Co. refuses (and hung up on me when I asked a 2nd time why the Sec. of State says they can take the reports).

      I'm not playing with the fax software that I never use for a one time use. So I'll have to mail the info to Salem. I'll continue to try to get ahold of the director of the office throughout the day, but I'm only getting voicemail thus far. Which means forget trying to get a timely response from the State Elections office to call the group I had on the phone last night doing voter registrations. Which means forget any chance of saving whatever Dem registrations they might have gathered.

      So... all I was really able to do thus far is e-mail the info to the oregon Kerry office and the State Democratic party office. Nobody else would even accept the info.

      Very depressing.

      "If you want to be released from the burdens of republicanism, listen to me!" -Bruce Springsteen, Vote for Change Concert

      by nyetsoup4you on Wed Oct 13, 2004 at 02:26:15 PM PDT

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    •  why register these studnets as Republicans? (none)
      The plot sickens...

      According to the story that you linked to: In this case they are not destroying forms for those who register as Dems - they are telling students to leave the party affiliation info blank [so they can later be listed as Republican.]

      What's the angle?

      Are they laying the groundwork for a Republican win when they rig the voting machines?

      These people don't care about democracy.

      They care about holding on to power and gorging themselves at the public trough.

      They fear fair elections, because they doubt that they can win.

      "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" -- John Kerry, 1971.

      by peace voter on Wed Oct 13, 2004 at 04:51:13 PM PDT

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      •  WHAT voting machines? (none)
        Until the last election or so, we had chad-ridden punch cards. Now we have "fill in the arrow" paper ballots. No electronic voting in Oregon, because it is ALL vote by mail.
        •  good news! (none)
          Thanks for the info.  I'm happy to learn that Diebold won't have an opportunity to skew the results in Oregon.

          Do you have a theory about why they filled in "Republican" for the party affiliation portion of the registration cards?

          Do you think it's because they were only paid when they registered Republicans?

          peace

          "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" -- John Kerry, 1971.

          by peace voter on Thu Oct 14, 2004 at 07:58:20 AM PDT

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          •  building an alibi (none)
            One of the justifications for challenging an election result is the numbers affiliated with each party in a particular precinct. Remember Florida 2000--it was the result in certain counties that was particularly hotly contested.

            So if they sign up a whole bunch of "Republicans" and the Democratic candidate wins, they've got another reason to cry foul if Diebold doesn't deliver.

            •  Again, (none)
              Deibold isn't a factor in Oregon, because you can't mail an electronic voting machine.

              They mark Repub because they get paid for repub regs.

              The reason most people sign up as dem or repub is that you can't vote in the other guy's primary.

              In 2000, that meant there was a fairly high proportion of people registering repub just to influence which candidate "our guy" had to go against. If the primaries had still been remotely contested when they got to Oregon, people would have been switching their regs back to dem to vote in that one.

              Oregon is not used to being a potential "swing state". Usually the national race is called before our "polls" (or boxes) close. 2000 was a wake-up call, when not only didn't we know the prez before the voting ended, we didn't know before we finally staggered off to bed at 3 am, either. This is why Oregon is finally more interested and involved in the national election--it's like a statewide version of the apathetic voter who thought their vote didn't really "mean" anything...suddenly we found out that it could mean everything.

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