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  •  no, you just hit the panic button (0+ / 0-)

    whenever you feel the need to try to move the discourse here from productive engagement to chicken little/concern trolling.

    and you also have no problem being an inconsistent and vacillating prophet - one minute it is one thing, the next minute it is another.

    your one consistent pattern is your inconsistency.

    plus, you seem quite oblivious to the facts.

    show me that kos has bailed on the candidate.

    present tense, not his decision to not give obama $2300 because of FISA, but show me where kos HAS BAILED on obama.

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    it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

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    by dadanation on Thu Sep 18, 2008 at 02:11:34 PM PDT

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    •  Failing to contribute = bailing out. (0+ / 0-)

      I've contributed more than Kos. He's rollign in dough from this site (comparatively) yet refuses to support the progressive candidate. He's a hypocrite.

      I'm not hitting the panic button. I am PISSED OFF that the Dems are so bad at this. It's as though they prefer to be aggrieved losers than winners.

      •  wrong. wrong. wrong. (0+ / 0-)

        push come to shove and you proffer THIS as evidence of your careless and irresponsible allegation?

        for shame.

        facts is not a dirty word.  try using them next time you care to make such pronouncements.

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        it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

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        by dadanation on Thu Sep 18, 2008 at 09:16:06 PM PDT

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        •  Facts? (0+ / 0-)

          Fact: Kos withdrew his support from Obama over Obama's vote on the FISA. He said explicitly that he was just about to contribute the maximum then decided not to because he "didn't want to reward bad behavior."

          Fact: Kos STILL has not said he has made his contribution. If he has, please let me know.So far, when I've posted about this, nobody has told me differently.

          Fact: I've contributed as much money as I'm able, infinitely more than Kos, who has contributed zero. I've canvassed and phone banked, too.

          •  again, please stop taking me for a fool (0+ / 0-)

            you have no basis for your statement that kos has abandoned obama save for the fact that you carry a bruised sense of entitlement from kos' point he made during the FISA controversy.

            see, the point here is not for me to let you know if kos has done anything regarding his contribution -- i am not the one who made the outrageous and clearly unsubstantiated claim that he abandoned obama -- you made the claim, the responsibility of corroborating the claim is all yours.

            and clearly a task you are neither up to fulfilling nor one that you have the evidence to do so.

            the extent to which you have done ANYTHING regarding the obama campaign matters not one whit to the fact that you have knowingly mischaracterized the owner of this blog's support for the democratic party's candidate for POTUS.

            all the canvassing and phone banking in the world does not give you the right to lie.

            how on god's green earth do you know what kos has given? "infinitely more?  please. your hyperbole is showing.

            one last minor detail -- why on earth would kos, on his own blog, his own personal blog that we are but visitors and guests at, why on earth would someone who has "abandoned" obama even bother with the banner on the home page with the daily tracking poll?

            just give your  untethered and unsubstantiated bloviations to yourself.

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            it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

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            by dadanation on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 07:44:27 AM PDT

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            •  The owner of this blog DOES NOT support Obama. (0+ / 0-)

              Support is characterized by action. What's he done to support Obama? He hasn't given money. He hasn't even said he's going to vote for him!

              •  i'll grant you this much: (0+ / 0-)

                you have proven to me that you are here to be bothersome and nothing more.

                i have had enough of your panic and concern trolling for a lifetime.

                this discussion, as one-sided as it has been, is over.

                i have vainly been hoping that you just perchance just MIGHT try to be responsible and factual b ut have found out the hard way that i have a better chance of finding a snowman in hell than having you even remotely attempt to base your comments on anything remotely resembling a fact.

                with that, i will entertain your nonsense no more.

                hope you have a great weekend.

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                it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

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                by dadanation on Fri Sep 19, 2008 at 04:44:21 PM PDT

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                •  Yet, i HAVE given you facts. (0+ / 0-)

                  Kos announced to all that he was withholding financial support from Obama until obama jumped through some vague ideological hoops. So far, he hasn't announced that he DOES support Obama again.

                  You acknowledge facts by getting huffy and offering none in response. Try thinking. It's better than just having emotional reactions.

                  •  it is none of our business if kos (0+ / 0-)

                    has decided to give obama money. his FISA stance was and is his FISA stance.

                    he doesn't have to announce jack-diddly squat either.  the web-site -- his web site -- makes abundantly clear who he and we support -- OBAMA -- because it falls in line with the express goal of this site --> to elect democrats.

                    let me ask you a rhetorical question -- so, when kos analyzes the polling data, which candidate is supporting?  if he has abandoned obama, why does he allow for his own web's front page to be a constant source of the most up-to-date news about the obama/biden campaign?

                    give it a rest.  because of kos' posturing following the FISA fall-out, you got nothing but a chip on your cyber-shoulder about the $2300 donation and you can't let it go.  your petulance does not make for a very corroborative source when you are trying to prove to me that kos has abandoned obama.

                    you can't corroborate the claim, and you know it.
                    last time i checked, you are not kos.  how you can divine his position is thoroughly beyond me.
                    but nice try to attempt to just insinuate enough discontent everywhere you go, be that either in your concern troll diary, your mischaracterization of the gore campaign or even in these bald asertioins tha lack a scintilla of evidence.

                    your umbrage at kos is really bizarre since you are holding a grudge that rankly is not your business or mine.  your attempts to smear kos by asserting an obscene and boundary-less notion that you get to dictate what kos' wallet has in it is creepy.

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                    it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

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                    by dadanation on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 05:33:31 AM PDT

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                    •  If it's not my business, why did Kos (0+ / 0-)

                      publish his withdrawal of support for Obama to the world? And explain in detail why he was doing so?
                      I'm not allowed to comment on his public statements?

                      It doesn't take a clairvoyant to determine someone's position when he publishes it on his own site.

                      Support is money and effort. Kos has given neither to Obama.

                      •  because this is his personal blog (0+ / 0-)

                        and he gets to say whatever strikes his fancy.

                        you are utterly clueless when it comes to the state of markos' support or lack thereof for any candidate let alone his favorite choice of lettuce, which pump he prefers to use at the gas station or even whether he wonders to wear a brown or black belt with his khakis.

                        but yes, to answer your question, you are absolutely free to comment on kos' writings.  many people do.

                        but that was not what you did.

                        you stated that kos had abandoned obama.

                        without a scintilla of evidence, you made an extraordinary claim and you had absolutely no data to substantiate the outrageous "factoid" that you felt entitled to type.

                        let's see -- money?  he owns the site.  he pays for the site.

                        effort? the site. the fundraising efforts, the daily tracking polls, the site, the site, the site.

                        you can't be seriously suggesting that kos has given neither to obama.

                        and if you really are maintaining that statement, i hope to hell your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek, because if you are not joking, then you are simply on the wrong site.

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                        it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

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                        by dadanation on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 08:04:54 PM PDT

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                        •  Okay, your earnestness merits a response. (0+ / 0-)

                          You've apparently abandoned your argument that kos's opinions are none of my business, which is a good idea.

                          The scintilla of evidence I gave that Kos stopped supporting Obama (or "abandoned", as I put it) was to refer to Kos's own statements, in which he announced that he would not make his planned contribution to Obama's campaign and repeatedly asserted his desire not to "reward bad behavior" and to "punish bad behavior" on the part of Obama. And by trumpeting this move on his Web site, he was leading others to do the same.

                          As far as I am aware, Kos has not led a fundraising effort for Obama, certainly not since abandoning Obama's candidacy over the FISA issue. (He has, of course, raised money for Congressional candidates who pass his litmus tests.)

                          As for "the site, the site, the site," it's a gold mine for Kos. He sells his books, t-shirts and other crappo on here. The site made him famous and, if not yet wealthy, at least very well-off. To use the site as an example of his support for Obama reminds me of Romney saying his sons were serving their country by campaigning for Romney.

                          As for the tracking poll and other accoutrements of the site that you cite as "support" for Obama, the poll increases site traffic, makes the site more attractive, and hence valuable. How this is a substitute for a cash donation to Obama's campaign is totally obscure. It's like saying I'm supporting Obama by putting a new fence around my yard and painting my shutters. There are plenty of polls.

                          While Kos expresses opinions that are critical of McCain, so have George Will and David Brooks. Talk is cheap. Show me the money. And don't tell me I'm "on the wrong site." This isn't Scientology, is it? I'm a progressive who wants the Republicans out of the White House, and I support Obama with my time, money, and heart. And I'm pissed that Kos doesn't.

                          •  i hope you waved (0+ / 0-)

                            when you decided to drive right past my point.

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                            it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

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                            by dadanation on Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 01:38:51 PM PDT

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