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  •  grey area (12+ / 0-)

    Yeah, it's illegal, invasion of privacy, etc...

    But on the other hand, I'm all for using technology to finally make our government afraid of the people for a change, instead of the other way around.

    •  Nicely put (1+ / 0-)
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      ginja

      They are our servants after all, not our lords.

    •  not grey. absolutely illegal. (5+ / 0-)
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      chap, Catte Nappe, dconrad, rogereaton, LynneK

      If you want transparent government, that's fine. But you don't unilaterally trespass, invade privacy, and steal someone's private things even if they were doing something illegal.

      Two wrongs don't make a right.

      And this path ends up with no one's privacy being respected.

      Palin: Every single word that comes out of her mouth -- or every single word that the McCain folks put in her mouth -- is a lie. (Josh Marshall 9/8/08)

      by Lurtz on Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 01:57:19 PM PDT

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      •  isnt a democracy (3+ / 0-)
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        chap, Lurtz, golconda2

        about having the ability to stand up to your government when they overstep their bounds? Declaring our independence wasn't legal at the time from the POV of the current government then, either.

        Not that I'm saying anon is equivalent to our founding fathers, but the basic principle is the same: When government becomes too powerful and oppressive, it is the right and duty of the people to do what they can to strike back.

        •  If you're certain she's guilty of a crime (2+ / 0-)
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          chap, Catte Nappe

          why bother with a trial?

          If you only suspect she's guilty, is that enough for you to decide whether or not to rummage through her personal communications?

          Would you feel the same way if you were the target, citizen?  "If you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about."

          We're not even sure it's her email account. It could be a fraud like the fake National Guard letters that Dan Rather got vilified for.

          Palin: Every single word that comes out of her mouth -- or every single word that the McCain folks put in her mouth -- is a lie. (Josh Marshall 9/8/08)

          by Lurtz on Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 02:06:54 PM PDT

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          •  Was Felt wrong to betray Nixon's confidence (3+ / 0-)
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            chap, Lurtz, kudgel

            and violate his duty to protect privileged information?

            Was Jeffrey Wigand wrong to illegally violate the non-disclosure contract he willfully signed and profited from?

            Was Joe Darby wrong to violate the chain of command and his fellow soldier's privacy by alerting the press about Abu Ghraib?

            Sibel Edmunds?

            What about Cristoph Meili? a lowly night security guard at a Swiss bank that discovered his employer shredding records of savings and deposits of Holocaust Victims to they could keep the assets?  He violated DOZENS of banking laws and had to seek political asylum in the US.

            Should he have not done anything because "the law is the law" and he wouldn't want HIS privacy violated?

            Thinking men can not be ruled. --Ayn Rand

            by Wisper on Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 02:13:10 PM PDT

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            •  preface: I am not a lawyer (2+ / 0-)
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              chap, Wisper

              Thomas Jefferson (citation needed) once said breaking the law is acceptable in an immediate emergency when following the letter of the law would be disasterous; as long as when the crisis is past the lawbreaker 'comes clean' and lets the courts or the people be the judge of the actions in hindsight.

              IMO this is the unsteady legal umbrella for whistleblowers, but should give no shelter for self-appointed vigilantes who trespass and invade privacy and steal.

              Palin: Every single word that comes out of her mouth -- or every single word that the McCain folks put in her mouth -- is a lie. (Josh Marshall 9/8/08)

              by Lurtz on Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 02:23:18 PM PDT

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              •  Whistleblowers face persecution (2+ / 0-)
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                chap, Lurtz

                so I don't think it should be necessary that they "come clean".

                Deepthroat remained anonymous for decades.  I see nothing in the exposure of that massive conspiracy of which Thomas Jefferson would disapprove.

                These hackers either found evidence of some troopergate covering-up or things that clearly disprove the version of events Palin is offering, in which case I don't care who they are or why they did it, I just want that information so we can take what actions are necessary and legally justified.

                However, if this was just wanton vigilantism in an effort to dig up more dirt so Palin could be further smeared and villified, then I think the hackers should be found and prosecuted.  Furthermore, if that is the case I think it will only serve to bolster her reputation with the public as the victim of this kind of petty illegal intrusion.

                Thinking men can not be ruled. --Ayn Rand

                by Wisper on Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 02:29:53 PM PDT

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      •  Fair enough (2+ / 0-)
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        Lurtz, golconda2

        but given their willingness to invade ours, are we better off with total transparency and no one's privacy respected

        or just their privacy respected?  I'm just sayin'.  When I first heard the story I thought just like you.  Now I am not so sure.  Not shouting you down--just discussing.

      •  Couldn't you use this argument (4+ / 0-)
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        chap, Lurtz, MichiganGirl, golconda2

        to punish and/or jail every single whistleblower in history?

        Thinking men can not be ruled. --Ayn Rand

        by Wisper on Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 02:02:40 PM PDT

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      •  exactly (1+ / 0-)
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        chap

        that's the government's job.

        In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria. Ben Franklin

        by nokkonwud on Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 02:14:46 PM PDT

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      •  In a war for our rights (1+ / 0-)
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        chap

        they have already disrespected us. Suspicion of a crime IS "just enough" for them. Why not us?

        This is the whole concept of mutually assured destruction. They already nuked our rights. Kudos to whoever did this.

    •  is it illegal? (1+ / 0-)
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      chap

      It gives me comfort just to think that ... we will have a president who has actually read the Federalist Papers. - Wick Allison

      by jj24 on Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 02:02:06 PM PDT

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      •  Yes (5+ / 0-)
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        jethropalerobber, chap, jj24, Lurtz, dconrad

        The hackers (the Geek inside of me is calling out to call them by their proper term - 'Crackers' - but I recognize the distinction isn't clear to most people) are accessing her account without permission, and (separately) are violating the terms of service of the email system.

        There's also likely a few other discrete offenses that were committed in the process of getting the information.

        AT&T offers exciting work for recent graduates in computer science. Pick up the phone, call your mom, and ask for an application.

        by Scipio on Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 02:07:55 PM PDT

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        •  lol. crackers. (1+ / 0-)
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          chap

          It gives me comfort just to think that ... we will have a president who has actually read the Federalist Papers. - Wick Allison

          by jj24 on Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 03:37:49 PM PDT

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