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  •  Well I disagree with their approach (0+ / 0-)

    I don't think one says nice things about George W. Bush's party and his would be successor.  If that makes me "irrational" when I call out politicians who do it, whether their last name be Clinton, Feingold or hell, Obama, color me irrational.  

    "We're half awake in a fake empire."

    by Alec82 on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 04:33:00 PM PDT

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    •  My point is (0+ / 0-)

      nobody gets vilified like the Clinton's do for every little thing. I get your point about calling them on it but I don't remember Russ Feingold or any other Democrat getting this kind of treatment from anyone on this site. I mean seriously, it is relentless and unforgiving. I guess I am "irrational" for being upset by that.

      •  Then you have a short memory (0+ / 0-)

        "F*** Russ Feingold!" http://www.dailykos.com/...

        "Russ Feingold Praises John McCain" http://www.dailykos.com/...

        "What the F%$K is wrong with Russ Feingold??" http://www.dailykos.com/...

        I bring up Feingold because he, unlike Clinton, is very popular among the netroots and liberal party activists.  So I think those diaries, and the responses therein, are very telling.  

        "We're half awake in a fake empire."

        by Alec82 on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 04:49:30 PM PDT

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        •  I will not quite admit that I am wrong (0+ / 0-)

          seeing as how you found 3 examples about Feingold but  there were what, 4 diaries just today about Bill Clinton. That's how it is everytime he goes in public. Let's see how things shape up after Daily Show interview tomorow and Larry King on Wednesday. I bet there will be more than enough people willing to critique his performance afterwards and none will be flattering no matter what he has to say. Just for the record, I am an Obama supporter. He had me after 2004 convention speech and I have never waivered. I just happen to like the Clinton's and hate it when I see how they are treated. It's like people are schizophrenic when it comes to them. I mean they gave great speeches at the convention, then I read, I guess maybe I can like them again, Bill goes on the View and is not enthusiastic enough for them and he "needs to get off the stage". Nothing is ever good enough.

          •  There's rational criticism and irrational hatred (0+ / 0-)

            I didn't watch the View, so I'll withhold my ultimate opinion on this, but I don't believe that it matters, ultimately.  I just wish they'd all keep their praise of the opposition down.  

            That's how I read this one.  I was impressed with the convention speeches.  And obviously I would have supported whoever won the primary.  My decision to support Obama came like a week before Super Tuesday anyway. I've seen irrational Clinton hatred, but I've also seen irrational Obama hate.  Whatever.  That's not what this, imo, is necessarily about, even if there is overlap.

            "We're half awake in a fake empire."

            by Alec82 on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 05:08:47 PM PDT

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            •  To be fair (1+ / 0-)
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              I was disappointed in his response to the questions about Sen. Obama and I wished he had been more forceful in making the case that Obama is the best possible candidate to be our next president, I just don't sit here and think OMG now Obama is gonna lose just because Bill Clinton didn't go all crazy about him on a TV show. I think people on this site continually over-react to anything and everything Clinton. I was, as always, impressed with the way he can talk about economic issues in a way that I can understand and in that part of the interview he was spot on. I also respect his passion for the Clinton Global Initiative which is really the only thing he wanted to talk about today anyway. I will also have to admit that perhaps I am a little hypocritical when it comes to this. I can actually agree with you about not praising the other side. I think I am wrong about that. I just take great offense at the Clinton bashing that goes on here and it makes me mad.

              •  This site was fueled on Clinton hate for a while (0+ / 0-)

                He remains a controversial figure within the party for several reasons.  That's not really my concern this year, as his presidency was a utopia compared to Bush and the prospect of McCain.  I wasn't here for the primaries, but I've looked through the archives and a lot of it was nasty.  

                As far as criticism of the opposition, a lot of people want fighting Democrats.  That's one thing I don't particularly care for with Obama, actually.  I think that his "One Nation" message can still have some partisan umph to it, more than he cares to give it.

                But I think this is largely a distraction.  The bailouts are the important issue right now, and the upcoming debates.  What Bill Clinton says on the View will not have much of an impact, if it has any at all.

                "We're half awake in a fake empire."

                by Alec82 on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 05:33:04 PM PDT

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                •  we finally agree (0+ / 0-)

                  I know Obama wanted to run a different kind of campaign. Admirable, just not very realistic. I don't like getting down in the mud either, but by God I will. At this point I will go anywhere I have to win this election. I respect Sen. Obama so much for his principles but I do think he is taking the fight to them now and if the polls are any indication, it is working. I just hope it holds and that he kicks ass in the debate Friday nite.

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