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  •  I saw the debate as a draw (5+ / 0-)

     More specifically, I saw the debate as Obama generally declining to swing at several fat hanging curveballs from McCain. And I wasn't too happy about that last night.

     But who knows...after reading the post-debate commentary this morning, maybe that's the reason Obama came across as more likable. And maybe that was what he REALLY needed to do last night.

     So I'm in a better mood. Still, even though this worked out in our favor this time, all the media focusing on the silly stuff -- "McCain didn't look Obama in the eye!" -- isn't exactly an elevation of our political discourse.

     Off to canvass...



    "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

    by Buzzer on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 04:54:56 AM PDT

    •  I see your point, but the voters (2+ / 0-)
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      who respond to elevated political discourse have mostly made up their minds already. The silly likeability stuff is unfortunately necessary to win over the people who don't follow the issues, and are just now starting to think about the election.
      Like Gore in '00, it is possible to win a debate in terms of absolute mastery of the facts and arguments, and still lose those voters, who lack the patience or training or inclination to appreciate these things and are just looking for someone they can be personally comfortable with, whom they can trust to look after these things for them.
      In a democracy you have to go into an election with the voters you have, not the voters you wish you had.

      When civilizations clash, barbarism wins.

      by Allogenes on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 05:34:22 AM PDT

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      •  who are we kidding (2+ / 0-)
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        It is the sad but the honest truth that the debates are really for a minority of the voters.
        The majority say about 95% have all ready made up thier mind about who to vote for.
        The remaining 5% i must say (i know it is not PC) are a bunch of poor souls.
        The drama rather than the facts are what sails thier boat.

        American dream is a myth!

        by brown american on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 05:44:12 AM PDT

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      •  You play the game according to the rules. (3+ / 0-)
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        scribeboy, skertso, Allogenes

        You might not like the designated hitter rule (I think it sucks), but if you're an American League manager, you put one on the lineup card because that's the way the other teams play.  You might think 285 is too close for the right field fence, but you have your hitters lob fly balls over it anyway because you'll lose otherwise.

        Same with the debates.  Sure, we'd like to have seen Obama pwn McCain as much as possible, but that wasn't the point.  The point was to get him out there as the kind of likable person the people want (see Bush, George W.) to drink beer and shoot the breeze with.  You might not like it, I might not like it, but those are the rules of the game, just like American League baseball.  Sure, Adlai Stevenson might have been a better President than Eisenhower, but people liked Ike better for their own reasons, and being a serious, wonky guy during the 1950s wasn't one of them.

        So be glad Obama did a decent job in the actual debate and is apparently winning the likability contest, which is what this exercise was really all about.

        Half-baked ideas for sale - cheap!

        by Steaming Pile on Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 05:54:13 AM PDT

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