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  •  i'm kinda tired of being told i'm (1+ / 0-)
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    MagisterLudi

    ignorant because i'm an american.  by anyone.  

    "Republicans have been accused of abandoning the poor. It's the other way around. They never vote for us." Dan Quayle

    by RadicalGardener on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 04:19:42 PM PDT

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    •  Sorry (1+ / 0-)
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      I didn't mean that to be a hurtful comment and I certainly overgeneralized.  What I should have said is that our young people are not receiving the quality of education that their peers in other industrial nations receive.  Over a number of years of teaching at a university, I've seen a steady decline in students' abilities to read, write and think.  It's hard for them to reason.  

      I hope you will forgive a fellow gardener.

      •  of course. i forgive gardeners any and every (1+ / 0-)
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        thing, not that you needed to be forgiven.  i just don't see us as being any more ignorant than a cross-section of people in any other country.  
         

        "Republicans have been accused of abandoning the poor. It's the other way around. They never vote for us." Dan Quayle

        by RadicalGardener on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 05:51:24 PM PDT

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      •  I disagree respectfully... (0+ / 0-)

        I think that there is more to education than being able to master objective tests, which is what we are comparing when we compare these statistics.

        The American School system for generations has produced people who have dominated the globe with innovation, hard work, cleverness, invention, and on and on.

        My parents' generation likes to think that came from the 3 "r's" (let's not talk about how "Rithmetic" and 'Riting" are not words)...

        I say that some of it came from the notion that the American School system largely downplayed "rote" memorization in favor of method, thinking, etc...

        It's going to be our downfall if we try to compete based on test scores.  I'll take our rate of innovation, our GDP, our manufacturing productivity, etc... any day.

        Rather than test scores, let's use other measures (post-education) to compare our school system to the rest of the world.

    •  The media thinks we're dumb because they are (0+ / 0-)

      spoon feeding us pure crap about things that don't matter and deciding what we should and should not hear. Even the debates are controlled by the media who decide upon the questions, whether to do any follow up, or choose questions submitted by the audience. Can't we have a real debate? Do we need the media to control every aspect of what we see and hear. I'd much prefer them to merely be our eyses and ears and report what was said and to provide factual background information. The media has inserted itself into every facet of the public discourse in alarming ways. You can thank the media for fostering the myth of a dumber America in order to bolster their self-appointed role of telling us what they think we should know.

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