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  •  I agree... (1+ / 0-)
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    2008 may be a worse loss than 64 and 74 because it involves an ideological failure, just like 32 (and 30)

    And you're right about that making the GOP a long-time minority party, but it didn't kill them.

    I'm also thinking of the possibility of a third party on the conservative side springing up somewhat permanently. Or maybe the Republican Party becomes the purely social conservative party (with Queen Sarah and King Mike as its heads) while traditional conservatives flock to the Libertarian party and make it a somewhat larger blip on the radar screen.

    •  didn't it though? (1+ / 0-)
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      I mean the GOP of Hoover was not the GOP that finally ascended back out of a joke with Nixon or Reagan (I don't count Eisnhower as he was a war hero and not really beholdened to the powers that Nixon and Reagan were).

      I'd still maintain that ideaologically and even in who they appealed to the GOP died in 1932 and then had to figure out what to do.

      And I'd maintain that they're staring at the same thing happening right now. As we speak almost 12 GOP seats are regaurded either as competitive, toss up or gone; the last time we had such a massive change over in the senate was 1932 (when ironically the GOP lost 12 seats). I'd also maintain that given the technological advantage of today the GOP might be in even dire straits here but that won't be known till Nov 5.

      Either way the modern GOP is dying you can see it in how McCain having failed to win moderates is now playing to the bigots.

      Even if in a year's time it's still called the GOP it won't be the same GOP and that's my point

      •  I can agree with that.. (1+ / 0-)
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        I was taking "killed" to mean literally that. There will be a GOP, and it will be different. How we'll just have to wait and see.

        •  sorry for not being clear (0+ / 0-)

          I'd say that there's still a chance that the GOP will literally die and that say a party like the Libertarians or the Consitutionalists will become the new majority party for conservatives but I think that's unlikely and would only come at a complete meltdown of the GOP.

          Then again 2010 might represent that but I think it's unwise to think about what may or may not be in 2 years.

          And that reguardless of that, idealogically the GOP is dead we just have to endure it's death throes.

      •  Northern broadcloth (0+ / 0-)

        The Republicans held the Presidency from 1952 to 1960, and only lost 1948 because they were lazy.  They controlled both houses in 1947-1949 and 1953-1955.

        The Dixiecrats are completing the eviction of the Lincoln and Eisenhower Republicans from their party.

        Dems in 2008: An embarassment of riches. Repubs in 2008: Embarassments.

        by Yamaneko2 on Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 07:48:35 AM PDT

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        •  you'll note though (0+ / 0-)

          that they never controlled the Senate during either of those 2 year peroids and didn't controll the Presidency during the first.

          As I said Eisenhower was a war hero a man that was widely regaurded as the general responsible for winning WW2, he could have won as a 3rd party candidate and still won. Though you'll note that during his presidency he didn't exactly do much of anything that was like the GOP.

          In fact his major accomplishment (the federal highway) was more a democrat program then GOP.

          •  The highway program was a FDR or Truman program (0+ / 0-)

            that Ike was able to implement.

            Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official... ~Theodore Roosevelt

            by Pam from Calif on Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 01:41:46 PM PDT

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