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  •  This is why McCain said "terrorist" first (12+ / 0-)

    McCain actually sent guns and arms to terrorists through his "World Freedom" organization.  He sent HIS OWN MONEY to the contras.

    Now you can argue that the contras were freedom fighters or whatever, but you'd be wrong; they were terrorists who committed the most disgusting crimes against civilians.  One Nicaraguan responded to my video, saying, yes, they would attack hospitals and schools, etc.

    It is a FACT that McCain supported the contras through private money and privately sent guns.

    Irwin Tang, author of Gook: John McCain's Racism and Why It Matters

    by Irwin Tang on Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 09:03:59 AM PDT

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    •  Yes. It's a fact that he supported the Contras. (0+ / 0-)

      It's not a fact that he's a terrorist. That's just inflammatory when a reasoned approach would work better.

      •  bin Laden (5+ / 0-)

        didn't fly into the Twin Towers, either.

        Because the Contras actually recieved mainstream support in the U.S., it's probably a poor tactic to call McCain a terrorist. But the truth is he clearly aided and abetted a terrorist organization - and the tactics of the Contras were not a secret.

        •  Like you said, it had mainstream support. (1+ / 0-)
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          Calling him a terrorist does NOTHING for us.

          •  It might of had yours (2+ / 0-)
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            But it didn't have mine. But then again I didn't fawn and drool all over Reagan either. He was a turd!

            With a big ol' lie And a flag and a pie And a mom and a bible Most folks are just liable To buy any line Any place, any time ~ FZ

            by f furney on Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 09:17:21 AM PDT

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            •  It didn't have mine either (0+ / 0-)

              But it did have the support of a majority of Americans.

              •  You mind if I ask how old you are and where (4+ / 0-)
                you get your information that the contras had the support of a majority of Americans?

                Because I can assure you that support for the Contras was not something the majority of America supported. Most Americans who cared to know what was going on was sick and disgusted by the tactics that the contras used and knew they were wrong.

                The contras were supported by some including Ollie North because they were trying to overthrow a left wing Government which many of the hard right wingers in out country thought was no good just as they think letting the liberal Democrats win here is no good.

                We had no business to be involved in the over throw of the leader of any country and the results when we have been has proven it to be a mistake.

                Go back and learn your history before you jump in a attack so much.

                It appears you have had some kind of bug in your butt lately and it really doesn't come across so well.


                I am voting for that one on Nov 4th

                by eaglecries on Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 09:52:21 AM PDT

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                •  At the time most Americans didn't know (3+ / 0-)

                  who or what the Contras were.  I suspect that most still don't.

                  The Iran/Contras atrocities were supported by our government in our name but without the knowledge of most of the citizenry.

                  Those who knowingly supported this were and are terrorists by any any reasonable definition of the term.

                  Once again the McCain camp has accused Obama of what McCain is guilty of.

                  People shouldn't be judged less harshly because they have more power.  That's just the opposite of the way things should be.

                  "Trust only those who doubt" Lu Xun

                  by LookingUp on Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 10:02:23 AM PDT

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                •  And if "a majority of Americans" (3+ / 0-)
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                  supported the Contras, then why did Reagan and his merry little band of (McCain-backed) fascista thugs have to be so gosh-durn covert about all their goings-on?

          •  well, it might lead to a reconsideration of... (2+ / 0-)
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            what the word "terrorist" means.  The contras were terrorists; the US was a state sponsor of terrorism.  

            I do agree with you, by the way, that nothing in this diary would be a sound electoral approach this year.  

          •  Not much mainstream support (4+ / 0-)

            Boland Amend's actually prohibited aid to contras - when was the last time Congress stopped the Admin from sending arms to someone?

            Congress also ended Bush/Reagan support for death sqads in El Salvador.

            Public support resulted in hearings, convictions, unlike Bush's lies to start this war

            Irwin Tang, author of Gook: John McCain's Racism and Why It Matters

            by Irwin Tang on Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 09:35:19 AM PDT

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    •  Irwin, are you promoting (3+ / 0-)
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      your book here on Kos?

      •  My book is a public service (5+ / 0-)

        I'm losing huge funds, for me, on this effort to inform the public.  You think I make money telling people to read my book on Kos?  I lose money doing this.  I should be spending my time making money.

        I'm giving my book away for free for those who request it, in pdf form - can't afford giving more hardcopies away.

        I'm going to be late on my mortgage I've been spending so much time and money on my public education efforts.

        I'll have to scrounge up some funds somehow.

        This is what happens when someone tries to do something good.  The right wingers attack them for any reason. Just like Palin/McCain you have no evidence, and you attack me.

        Irwin Tang, author of Gook: John McCain's Racism and Why It Matters

        by Irwin Tang on Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 09:10:55 AM PDT

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      •  So what if he is (1+ / 0-)
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        His book is likely to be very informative. Others promote books, campaigns, blogs, and various other things here on a routine basis. That is not a bad thing.

        Stop bitching and start a revolution!

        by Randian on Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 09:15:53 AM PDT

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        •  Somehow people who write (2+ / 0-)
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          books on important subjects are not supposed to support themselves like others do.

          Of course, if Kos promotes his own book on the front page . . . is that okay?

          Irwin Tang, author of Gook: John McCain's Racism and Why It Matters

          by Irwin Tang on Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 09:37:00 AM PDT

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          •  There is clearly a bit of a double standard here (2+ / 0-)
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            I've seen time and again that when a relative "nobody" writes a well researched diary that gets perhaps 10 comments, the same topic will be covered, in more or less the same way, by a front pager or a well known writer, and get 100s of comments and lots of Recs.

            Similarly, I've seen candidate diaries which get 100s of enthusiastic comments, even when the candidate barely had time to stick around to interact with those positing.

            Anyway, I for one am glad that you posted here and let us know about your book. As you can probably tell, I agree with what you are saying about McCain and the terrorist Contras, whether or not it is particularly polite or convenient to discuss.

            Whenever I go to an antiwar protest, these kinds of ugly truths about the U.S. track record around the world are certainly put in the spotlight, as is a hopeful belief that we can be better global citizens.

            Stop bitching and start a revolution!

            by Randian on Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 09:44:07 AM PDT

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            •  whoever is elected (0+ / 0-)

              and I hope it is not McCAin, we will have to deal with the possibility that OUR government will our money to fund terrorists.

              And that some of our private citizens will do the same.

              May we find a way to bomb the world with food and medicine, strengthen civil society, and make terrorism obsolete through food, schools, and medicine.

              Irwin Tang, author of Gook: John McCain's Racism and Why It Matters

              by Irwin Tang on Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 09:48:50 AM PDT

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    •  It is not what they fight for (5+ / 0-)

      that makes them terrorists, it is what they do.  They were engaged in terrorism, so the shoe fits.
      This is an appropriate rejoinder to the bogus Ayers issue.  But for Obama, is should be left in his back pocket until needed.

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