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  •  This just really really disturbs me (2+ / 0-)
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    All this attempt to determine the details behind "Joe" and his question and the attempts to "dig up some dirt" on this guy.  

    As I said in another diary, look, even if you want to dig up all the dirt you can on his background, I think the question he asked is not out of bounds.   The bottom line is that there are small business owners who are going to pay more taxes under Obama's plan.  So, asking Obama -- I've worked hard all my life, I'm finally making $250,000, why should you raise my taxes -- is a legitimate question.  Obama answered it.  That's it.  You either agree with Obama's answer, or you don't, but it doesn't change the fact that, yes, Obama is going to raise taxes on some people who are not Wall Street executives or Paris Hilton, and Obama needs to be able to clearly and succiently tell those people why they should pay more.  

    I have a friend who is 52 years old and a contractor.  Right after high school, he started in the construction business, has worked long hours (10 hours a day, 6 days a week) for many years, went into business for himself, and is now a contractor with several construction crews working for him (there's plenty of contracting work here in New Orleans after Katrina).  He's now making over $200,000 --  how much over $200,000, whether he has reached $250,000 or just hopes to soon, I don't know. (Perhaps with his wife's earnings as a teacher, they are over $250,000). He's a pretty good guy -- pays his taxes, participates in the community, family guy, all that.  He believes that, under President Obama, he will likely see a tax increase.  That fact means that he is inclined to vote Republican.  As he sees it,  President Obama needs to be able to clearly articulate to him and to others in his position why he should be willing to pay more in taxes, no matter who asks the question.  I'm not sure whether Obama saw the question from this "Joe" person as illegitimate, or as an opportunity to talk to people like my friend the contractor.  

    Yes, "Joe" was a Republican.  So what.  Shouldn't Dems be allowed to ask McCain questions from a Dem point of view?  Shouldn't a candidate be happy to get the chance to address issues raised by people in the other party?  Even if he ia a hard core right wing guy, so what.  Isn't it a good thing for Obama to have the chance to talk to people like my friend the contractor?  So what if the guy who asked the questions is or is not a good guy -- it's a legitimate question, others have the same question, and Obama, it seems to me, saw this as an opportunity to answer it.  Period.  I don't think it is a license to savage this guy.  

    •  I think part of this (0+ / 0-)

      is trying to find out of Joe the Plumber is a McCain plant, sent out to ask Obama said questions for the purposes of McCain bringing him up in the debate and to plaster the morning news shows with him the day after. - Status of the Electoral College

      by FleetAdmiralJ on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 08:06:05 AM PDT

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      •  Ok, where's the evidence (1+ / 0-)
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        that he was told before he asked Obama this question that McCain was going to use him like this in the debate?  Where's the evidence that he knew before asking the question that he was going to be used like this?  If there is some of that, fine.  But going into his divorce records (assuming that they even are his divorce records) and calling him a wife beater, like some people here have done?  I'm just not comfortable with that.  

        Bottom line, even if Atilla the Hun goes to an Obama rally, asks a legit question, and Obama answers it, that should be the end of the story.  Look, there are people on this site who deliberately have tried to go to Republican rallies solely for the purpose of trying to embarass the Republican candidate, or at least to ask the Republican candidate some tough questions.  Are their personal lives open to this kind of scrutiny as well?  Do we really want that?  

        •  he was on Fox News earlier in the week (3+ / 0-)
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          attacking Obama for being a socialist:

          The McCain campaign had also released several press releases during the week referring to 'Joe the Plumber.'

          The fact that he willingly contacted other media outlets and held a press conference this morning indicates that he was well prepared.

          I understand your reservations, but you need to look up the facts yourself. This guy is a lying Republican who is exploiting a McCain-friendly media in order to spread lies about Obama.

        •  that's the point of researching (1+ / 0-)
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          If people find that

          a) he's actually a pretty hard core republican (evidence suggests he is: he voted in the GOP primary this year)


          b) has connections to McCain (there are suggestions that he lived in Arizona and has relations to Keating.  Not enough there yet to tie it together, but it could lead do it) than that may definitely suggest something weird going on.

          His comments on the news shows also don't exactly paint the picture of someone who is "undecided" either - unless he's undecided between McCain and Barr.

          Now, I'll agree that the divorce thing is a little off, though that did bring up the fact that he probably used to live in Arizona.  This is a case where I think people collect everything first and then pick out what's important later.

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          by FleetAdmiralJ on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 08:25:56 AM PDT

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    •  i think (1+ / 0-)
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      what people are upset about is that this guy seems to have misrepresented himself. He's a registered R, he seems to have some talking points floating around in his head and he is being presented as some objective guy in teh media. I suppose we will leqrn more about this guy and what hisreal story is, but i do aghree with youthatwe should be presectful in reagrads to his privacy.

    •  sorry, he's willingly interjected himself (2+ / 0-)
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      into the public sphere by smearing Obama with false information while misrepresenting his own political affiliations.

      It is entirely valid to verify this man's story.

    •  I have no sympathy for Joe the Plumber (1+ / 0-)
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      For the past eight years, Joe the Plumber has reaped the benefits of the Bush tax cuts at the expense of those who could least afford them. Every dollar that good old Joe got to knock off his tax bill was a dollar that could have gone to health care. Or education. Or protecting the environment.

      His precious tax cut came at the expense of 4,000+ American troops who died fighting an unnecessary war. They came at the expense of tens of thousands - perhaps hundreds of thousands - of innocent Iraqi civilians who died as a result of our unnecessary war. They came at the expense of our national security. They came at the expense of our international reputation. They came at the expense of our economy. They came at the expense of his own son's future.

      And he has the balls to stand there on national television and whine about how "unfair" it all is? He thinks he's the only person in America who's worked hard, participated in the community, tried to raise a family?

      Joe the Plumber needs to pull his head out of his own greedy ass and take a look around at what this country has become. He had a nice ride that other people have paid for, and now they want some of that money back.

      "I can't come to bed yet! Someone is WRONG on the Internet!" - XKCD

      by SingularExistence on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 08:29:31 AM PDT

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