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  •  I'll look for it (1+ / 0-)
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    But I'm glad you agree that he did not approach Obama as a plant for the McCain campaign; that's a conclusion that doesn't seem to add up, and too many are willing to believe it so quickly.

    The all purpose reference for every Obama surrogate and supporter

    by ShadowSD on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 09:23:38 AM PDT

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    •  Honestly, I don't quite know what (2+ / 0-)
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      I think at the moment.  I do find the guy to be pretty suspicious primarily because McCain was so clearly confident about using him throughout the debate last night.

      I worked at the PR firm that helped curry the sympathy for the Kuwaitis in the run up to the first Gulf War.  I didn't know it at the time, but it was later exposed by 60 Minutes that our star witness to the brutality of the Iraqi Army was not even in the country when Saddam invaded and was as it happens a princess in the Kuwaiti royal family.  The guy who led that account was a man that I had had enormous respect for - he died before I was ever able to ask him if he knew that she was lying - since he is dead and I liked him very much I'd prefer to think he was just as misled as the rest of us were - but you never know.  When people have all of the strength and resources of the federal government at their finger tips, there's a lot that you can do to orchestrate and fabricate stories that advance your goals.

      •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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        It just seems illogical that they would make such an effort to make the plant believable when they won't do the same for their own candidates.  It just doesn't make sense.

        The all purpose reference for every Obama surrogate and supporter

        by ShadowSD on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 10:24:08 AM PDT

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        •  They are clearly not a particularly bright bunch. (1+ / 0-)
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          Look at the Palin pick - whether you believe the story that she wasn't vetted or you are like me and believe they simply thought they could get away with their deceptions - the fact that they chose to risk it all on her and how they have handled her along the way shows some mega "stupid" if you ask me.

          •  Sure, my point exactly - that kind of stupid (1+ / 0-)
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            isn't compatible with the degree of competence required for that guy to be a plant.

            How come they briefed him better than Palin?  What precedent is there for such selective and intermittent  competence by a campaign?

            The all purpose reference for every Obama surrogate and supporter

            by ShadowSD on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 10:34:51 AM PDT

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            •  Well, I've always said that the Bushies (1+ / 0-)
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              were extremely competent where it came to message and media management on a certain level.  If all it took to govern was showing up at press conferences, they'd get high marks.  

              As to your questions about his level of skill vs. Palin's level of skill, I get the impression that they grossly over estimated how quick on the uptake and how "smart" Palin really is.

              That first weekend after she was named there was a comment in one of the articles from the Alaska papers from a friend of hers about how talented Palin is, but how her friend wondered how well Palin might do playing the second rather than as the first.  As time has worn on and we've seen more of her, I've wondered if her problem with playing second string has as much to do with her inability to fully comprehend the world around her therefore necessitating her being the first chair so that she can set the agenda and only address those things she does kind of understand.

              The short parallel to what I said above it is like Tom Brokaw's problem saying certain words and how he handles it - he only writes scripts for himself that exclude the words he can't say without a problem.

              Palin of course having agreed to being on the national stage doesn't have the luxury of ignoring critical issues that she doesn't understand or know anything about - and McCain's team is probably frustrated at her clear inability to learn quickly as they were promised she would.

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