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  •  McCrory is a bigot and a corpratist (3+ / 0-)
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    DEFuning, Blue South, Murdershewrote

    His ads are RACIST.

    McCrory panders to the big corporations and is nothing more than a Bush clone.

    How any Democrat could even consider voting for him is beyond me.

    •  You're Missing the Point (1+ / 0-)
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      You're right- there's a lot wrong with Pat McCrory.  As I said, he's a jerk.  People I trust who have worked with him in a staff situation in Charlotte confirm that he is indeed, a tool of epic proportions.  

      But McCrory is telling people who he is.  Purdue is constantly obfuscating who she is, what she believes, and has been ducking debates.  

      In their first debate, the moderator asked if the two of them supported offshore drilling of the COAST OF NC.  McCrory clearly said yes.  I think this is a bad idea, but he was straightforward.  Purdue put out this tortured "I am pro-drilling" answer in which she tried to confound the difference between the Gulf of Mexico and the NC Coast in order to keep NC voters from knowing she'd rather not drill there.  

      So either she's lying to the people who want to drill, or trying to hide from her own views as a Democrat, which could be legitimately defended from a policy standpoint, should she choose to engage.

      Purdue is a Mike Easley clone, and he is a corporatist Democrat who panders to any corporation he gets a chance to cozy up to.  Please review the siting of the Dell plant in Winston-Salem, or the location of Google in Lenoir.  The Purdue/Easley Democrats love to give away the farm to corporations.

      And this is the point.  On justice for undocumented workers, Purdue and McCrory sound the same.  On corporate welfare, they're probably going to be the same.  On schools, McCrory likes vouchers, and that's bad.  But Purdue hates scrutiny and sunshine, and approaches progressives with the "well who else are you gonna vote for" viewpoint.

      If we don't stand up against the Purdues of the world to elect people like Dan Bessee or Hampton Dellinger, we're not moving forward.

    •  Surely you remeber Jim Martin (1+ / 0-)
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      NC Dem Amy, come ON, are you REALLY THAT young??
      After 8 years of Jim Hunt, who had obviously been
      loved since he got the constitution amended so
      we could have more years of him, and since he
      got 48% against Jesse Helms, people MIGHT have
      thought that the Democrats would have an easy time
      holding it. But the Republicans nominated a smart
      moderate from Charlotte, and suburban affluent
      smart voters thought he was more trustworthy than
      the longtime machine pol who was the natural successor
      (Atty.Gen.Rufus Edmisten).  In addition, we had
      some disunity from Charlotte out of the primary
      that year (which we don't this year), but my point is: as a KIND OF GUY, NOT respecting ideology,
      Barack Obama seems to have a lot more in common with
      Jim Martin and McCrory than he has with Bev Perdue.
      So much so that Obama felt the need to EXPLICITLY
      REPUDIATE Perdue's bigoted pandering against educating
      immigrants in our community colleges.

      Even worse, the Libertarian (the chair of the Duke
      Political Science dept, a position for which is loudly obviously intellectually unfit) is claiming
      about himself that he's the liberal candidate in
      the race, so he may pull more from us than from them,
      especially in the Triangle.

      This race has me very concerned.
      Just in passing I have talked to two state employees
      this week who blame their whole stagflation problem
      on the Democrats and are not personally happy
      with Perdue, although I tried hard to convince them
      that ANY Republican would be worse by definition.

      The road to hell has not YET been paved with Republicans, but it SHOULD be -- Corrected BumperSticker

      by ge0rge on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 12:14:20 PM PDT

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      •  Obama is closer to McCrory than Perdue? (3+ / 0-)
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        DEFuning, NC Dem, Blue South

        That is simply absurd.

      •  BTW, geORge (1+ / 0-)
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        DEFuning

        Your opening personal insult is uncalled for.

        •  It was NOT an insult: IT WAS A QUESTION (1+ / 0-)
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          NCDem Amy

          SO ANSWER it.
          DO you remember that the Republicans won NC-Gov
          in 1984 by nominating a moderate from Charlotte??
          Or are you too young?  I DON'T KNOW!!  Your answer
          IS RELEVANT!  IF you are that young (and it is NOT
          an INSULT if you are!!) then THAT'S A GOOD REASON
          for you to opine as you do that there is no grounds
          for McCrory's (alleged, possible) appeal.  But if
          you are not then you should KNOW the precedent.

          The poll that originally had me worried about this
          turns out to have been a typo (Kos had the numbers
          backwards) but even so, If Martin did it, there is
          some precedent for how McCrory might manage it.
          It is not all shocking/impossible like you make it
          sound.  And for all Barack Obama's moderateness, he
          ain't got NOTHIN' on Bev Perdue when it comes to diving headlong for the center.  Her position on
          the community college issue is shameful,period.
          It would NOT surprise me AT ALL to see some northerners reacting to her accent and her xeonophobia by dismissing her as a hick and going with somebody who looks richer and more cultured.

          Of course, the irony here is that Martin was a
          college professor and that in this race, the candidate
          WITH the doctorate is Perdue.  But she's not trying
          to win this by being Adlai Stevenson.  She's sounding
          down-home and bragging about how she's tough on crime and immigration.  That absolutely CAN lose people from the affluent left that Obama has no problem with.

          I truly don't know who is going to have the higher
          percentage, Obama or Perdue.  And THAT IS a tragedy.
          It OUGHT to just AUTOMATICALLY be Perdue.

          The road to hell has not YET been paved with Republicans, but it SHOULD be -- Corrected BumperSticker

          by ge0rge on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 01:22:22 PM PDT

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          •  No I do not remember that (0+ / 0-)

            I left NC right out of HS for several years. In 1984 I was living in FL.

            I do agree that Bev has some positions that are too moderate, such as the Community College issue you note but she is still a far better choice than McCrory.

            I apologize for misunderstanding your opening comment. Thanks for clarifying!

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