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  •  Perdue is running the classic bad democrat race (0+ / 0-)

    In a quest for "more and better" Democrats, Perdue only counts as "more."  If one of the races has to go GOP, my preference is that Perdue goes down.  McCrory isn't any great shakes, but at least he's a champion of public transportation.  The temptation for me to vote for him after Perdue's awful and xenophobic campaign is strong -- at the moment, I'm resisting, but if it gets any worse...

    •  NC isn't CA or NY (0+ / 0-)

      And I am glad that Perdue isn't coddling illegal immigrants like Paul Kanjorski, who is probably going to lose his district.

      •  "Coddling"? (0+ / 0-)

        Allowing them to PAY to go to community college (thus giving us a better educated workforce and citizenry) is coddling?

        My main problem with Perdue's stance on immigration is that she didn't have one until she figured out which one would be more popular. She has also demonstrated a complete lack of ideas on the subject. I remember an interview (WUNC, I think) where she was asked what she would do regarding immigration if elected governor. Her response?

        "I'd push Congress to fix it."

        When pressed for what specific advice she would offer Congress, she pulled a Sarah Palin, stammered around the question, and then repeated that her advice would be to tell Congress to FIX IT!

        That was probably the moment she lost me. Because it was clear that she was trying to have it both ways by not stating any way at all.

        Would Sarah Palin hunt witches from a helicopter?

        by RedKing on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:36:38 PM PDT

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        •  Well (0+ / 0-)

          Why should they even be allowed into community college? They aren't here legally!! I just don't agree with the "progressive" position on illegal immigration.

          •  Because it's the American thing to do. (0+ / 0-)

            I used to take the uncompromising stand on immigration too. Even as recently as a year ago. And I do think there should be reform of the immigration system to make legal entry more accessible and more attractive, so that people use the system rather than circumventing it.

            But for the ones already here, what good does it do to shut them out of our system altogether? How do we as a society benefit from denying them access to education when they're willing to pay for it just like everyone else? And how does that live up to the ideal of "Give me your tired, your poor, your hungry, your huddled masses yearning to be free"?

            I did some serious soul-searching about it, especially given that large chunks of my ancestors (as with the vast majority of Americans) came over on a boat, were minimally processed (name, country of origin, intended destination...that was it), and then struck off across the country to make a new life without being able to speak English, being able to read and write, or having a guarantee of employment.

            If they'd been treated the way we treat immigrants now, they'd have likely ended up on a boat back to Russia, or gone to Canada.

            Would Sarah Palin hunt witches from a helicopter?

            by RedKing on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 05:34:56 PM PDT

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            •  Fair enough (0+ / 0-)

              I just have a problem with the idea of rewarding them for coming here illegally. I could support, however, a program that requires those who came here illegally an opportunity to convert to legal status through either military service or some other sort of national service for those physically unable to serve.

              •  A workable start (0+ / 0-)

                Granted, we already have something like that in terms of military service. You'd be surprised at the percentage of US soldiers who aren't actually citizens. Citizenship has become an unofficial reward for service when mustering out.

                While that's potentially a positive step, it's also potentially troubling, because it's an imperial model. And when your armies are composed of non-citizens with little political power, it makes it a lot easier politically to go to war.

                I think something like an Americorps or the German Zivildienst might be a good route. Hell, even a public works corps might be a good idea. Can fix up our crumbling infrastructure and give these folks a decent living wage and a path to citizenship at the same time.

                Would Sarah Palin hunt witches from a helicopter?

                by RedKing on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 06:07:44 PM PDT

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      •  Purdue to the Right of Huckabee on Undocumenteds (0+ / 0-)

        Mike Huckabee's powerful comment about his time in Arkansas saying "we're a better nation than that" than to punish kids of undocumented immigrants rocked the dials to the roof on CNN because he framed treating these kids humanely as a moral issue.  

        Purdue could campaign like this in NC, if she wasn't so cynical.  But make no mistake, Beverly Purdue (and Pat McCrory) are both to the right of Mike Huckabee on this issue.  

        And isn't Obama for comprehensive immigration reform?  Why isn't he getting killed for it and losing to McCain?  How about Kay Hagan?  The one thing Dole can point to that she's done recently is put a ICE facility in Alamance County to help the hick sheriff there run his local progrom against Latinos.  Why is Hagan (who is more reasonable) not getting killed by Dole on this issue?  

        Purdue is losing by trying to be Republican-lite.  

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