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  •  Because it's the American thing to do. (0+ / 0-)

    I used to take the uncompromising stand on immigration too. Even as recently as a year ago. And I do think there should be reform of the immigration system to make legal entry more accessible and more attractive, so that people use the system rather than circumventing it.

    But for the ones already here, what good does it do to shut them out of our system altogether? How do we as a society benefit from denying them access to education when they're willing to pay for it just like everyone else? And how does that live up to the ideal of "Give me your tired, your poor, your hungry, your huddled masses yearning to be free"?

    I did some serious soul-searching about it, especially given that large chunks of my ancestors (as with the vast majority of Americans) came over on a boat, were minimally processed (name, country of origin, intended destination...that was it), and then struck off across the country to make a new life without being able to speak English, being able to read and write, or having a guarantee of employment.

    If they'd been treated the way we treat immigrants now, they'd have likely ended up on a boat back to Russia, or gone to Canada.

    Would Sarah Palin hunt witches from a helicopter?

    by RedKing on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 05:34:56 PM PDT

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    •  Fair enough (0+ / 0-)

      I just have a problem with the idea of rewarding them for coming here illegally. I could support, however, a program that requires those who came here illegally an opportunity to convert to legal status through either military service or some other sort of national service for those physically unable to serve.

      •  A workable start (0+ / 0-)

        Granted, we already have something like that in terms of military service. You'd be surprised at the percentage of US soldiers who aren't actually citizens. Citizenship has become an unofficial reward for service when mustering out.

        While that's potentially a positive step, it's also potentially troubling, because it's an imperial model. And when your armies are composed of non-citizens with little political power, it makes it a lot easier politically to go to war.

        I think something like an Americorps or the German Zivildienst might be a good route. Hell, even a public works corps might be a good idea. Can fix up our crumbling infrastructure and give these folks a decent living wage and a path to citizenship at the same time.

        Would Sarah Palin hunt witches from a helicopter?

        by RedKing on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 06:07:44 PM PDT

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