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  •  Well, Maddow had a whistle blower from (2+ / 0-)
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    the signal intelligence corps on last night who certainly seemed to suggest that all the old rules were sent flying out the window.  She said she was ordered to listen to Americans overseas talking about family stuff and a whole lot of other private irrelevant stuff - she added that it was a waste of time - which should be obvious to anyone with a brain.

    •  Something was swirling around about that (2+ / 0-)
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      last week or so. Maybe a couple of weeks ago. Glad we're on it.

      But what are the chances that a Dem controlled legislative and executive will prosecute these guys?  I don't have much hope for that, and it makes very, very angry. We need to at least expose every move and publicly air every criminal act, whether we prosecute or not. The country needs and deserves that ( I need and deserve it, fcs). I'm worried that our guys are going to ignore it, "let it go". It'll likely bring me unglued.

      Btw, it's nice to see you about.

      "In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder, a secret order." Carl Jung

      by Unduna on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 07:47:48 AM PDT

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      •  Nice to see you too. (2+ / 0-)
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        I was cranky with my Dad because they walked away from so many people after Watergate.  I just don't think that the people on the Hill in our party have the vision to understand that the Bush Administration was effectively made possible by the Congress' decision to walk away in 1974 and they don't have the courage of conviction to risk their careers on going after the Bushies.  

        Two things that were extremely distressing happened in the wake of Watergate.  The Democrats decided they should make nice and then within the Democratic Party itself there was a revolution that came about in which all of the key leaders of the party who had pursued Nixon were punished for doing so - the man my Dad was working for lost his chairmanship after 30 years.  

        It was ugly and I still don't entirely understand it.  But knowing Congresscritters - ours in particular - they look back and take the lesson about losing power within their ranks more seriously than the one about allowing a criminal cabal to carry on and come back to hurt the American people for a second round.  Depressing really.  I can't say that I won't on some level enjoy finding out that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have had their private lives thoroughlly investigated by BushCult because they passed the FISA amendments instead of impeaching Bush and Cheney.  You get what you give in life.

        •  And hence our Primaries stance. (2+ / 0-)
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          Neither of us is in the mood for kissy-face. Far from.

          And the reality, as I see it, is that there can be no accountability, fresh or otherwise, without rectification. Without rectification, "accountability" is just a pretty buzzword.

          There seems to be the sense around these parts that once Barack is in the presidency (knock on wood), our work is done. It makes me want to scream.
          The fact is, much of the most vital work will have only just begun. We weren't just highjacked and robbed blind, we were infiltrated, and much of that poison is only just starting to course. And it's not just here - the international damage is horrifying, and I'm not just referencing Iraq. Iraq is just a staging ground...

          And, as usual, the question perennial is: Will We Do What Needs To Be Done.

          How much harder will it be for me for us to finally have ability, but not choose Justice. I can see how hard it has been on you, and I am sorry.

          "In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder, a secret order." Carl Jung

          by Unduna on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 08:36:19 AM PDT

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          •  I think that these parts will get very quiet (0+ / 0-)

            after the election if Obama wins.  A lot of people are only here for the Presidential election and many will lose interest quickly once it is concluded.  I think that's probably not a bad thing either. If we are lucky, the site will get back to substantive policy issues because you are absolutely right - there is a ton of work to be done - getting Obama in and strengthening our Congressional caucuses is just a mechanism to make the work possible - the question of whether or not the work is done and how it gets done is a whole other can of worms.

            All we can do is keep talking, prodding and hope that we can even in some small way make a difference.  

            •  Yup. (1+ / 0-)
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              I look forward to getting back to substantive issues, myself.

              Nice to have you out there; sometimes I feel a bit nuts from all of it, and good compatriots really help.

              "In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder, a secret order." Carl Jung

              by Unduna on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:22:52 AM PDT

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