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  •  Re: Medicare (none)
    In fairness to the demos, they'd been harping on the lack of a pharmaceutical plan for years. The Republicans finally perceived this as a political liability, so they proposed their plan. All of a sudden the Democrats were faced with what probably seemed to them a bunch of bad choices:

    (a) Support the Republican plan, and thereby sell out Seniors (like Zell Feinstein and Dianne Miller);

    (b) Support an alternate plan with proposed revenues (like Howard Dean). The only problem is that the GOP has made it clear in no uncertain terms that raising taxes will always be a dead issue. So, the next alternative was:

    (c) Oppose any plan (I'm not sure any Democrat did this). To oppose would be to be branded as Satan by AARP and hypocritical by the GOP.

    (d) Support an alternate plan without proposed revenues (most of the rest of the Demos and a few Republicans). Thus we are in fact borrowing and spending, more, but do you think it realistic that the Democrats could simply have opposed the Republican plan with no alternative?

    (e) Oh, I also suppose that a single-payer plan could have been proposed, with all of the proponents being successfully labeled as traitorous socialists (which they're not).

    The upshot is that if the Democrats were in control, they would raise revenues to take care of this.

    George W Bush is now proving that he disdains nation-building - paraphrase of Howard Dean

    by Doug in SF on Mon Dec 22, 2003 at 01:46:30 AM PST

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    •  Dems and single payer (none)
      Dem rank-and-file that think their party supporters single-payer should take note of who are the big donors to the Dem Party.

      Trial lawyers provide big money to the Dems.  And medical malpractice provides trial lawyers with big money.  The gov't isn't going to implement single-payer and allow itself to be sued for big settlements for pain and suffering.  If you need this explained, look at how military medicine works.

      So, as long as the Dem Party relies on money from trial lawyers, the Dems aren't going to back single-payer.  It's not that the electorate is too enamored with for-profit medicine or that adverse to socialized medicine, it's that neither parties' big money backers want single-payer.

      Speak truth to power. Criticize Democratic arrogance and similarity to GOP.

      by Carl Nyberg on Mon Dec 22, 2003 at 01:55:34 AM PST

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      •  Re: Dems and single payer (none)
        Wow. Something trial lawyers, pharmaceuticals and HMOs all adamantly oppose. Once again, it's an admirable goal, but look where it gets people Dennis Kuhote tilting at windmills. Absolutely friggin nowhere.

        George W Bush is now proving that he disdains nation-building - paraphrase of Howard Dean

        by Doug in SF on Mon Dec 22, 2003 at 01:59:26 AM PST

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        •  Re: Dems and single payer (none)
          If we allowed multi-party democracy, we could take the issue to the general election and see how it does with the electorate.

          But right now it's bottled-up and going nowhere.  The Dem leadership is blaming the GOP and too many rank-and-file Dems accept the bullshit they get from the party leadership.

          Speak truth to power. Criticize Democratic arrogance and similarity to GOP.

          by Carl Nyberg on Mon Dec 22, 2003 at 02:07:01 AM PST

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        •  Re: Dems and single payer (none)
          What if the Dems did run on single-payer health care?

          Would lower-middle income voters that have uncertain health coverage vote Dem?

          Speak truth to power. Criticize Democratic arrogance and similarity to GOP.

          by Carl Nyberg on Tue Dec 23, 2003 at 05:06:06 PM PST

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