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  •  Whoa .. (2+ / 0-)
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    Shliapnikov, citydem

    ... while I'm not in agreement w/ the poster here, to be fair, there's a big difference in doing a protest Green vote in a very safely blue election (when it doesn't matter) vs when you risk giving the win to the GOP.

    If the goal here is more and better Democrats in office, then we need to look at all resonable tools - including primary challenges and protest voting in clearly safe elections.

    I'm not convinced it's warranted in Shakowsky's case, but I don't think we do ourselves any favors by taking reasonable options off the table.

    Those who fail to learn from history...are invited to submit an application for a position in the Bush administration.

    by Timoteo on Wed Oct 22, 2008 at 10:29:38 AM PDT

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    •  No (4+ / 0-)

      Voting for the Green candidate is never a reasonable option.  Putting aside the fact that the Green party is basically a subsidiary of the Republican party, voting Green is never helpful.  The idea that voting green will move Democrats to the left is laughable. If anything, it moves them to the center where there are more votes to be found.  And green voters take themselves out of tte Democratic primary process, the Democrats are going to have more centrist candidates.  

      •  Point taken .. (1+ / 0-)
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        .. yeah, the Greens have taken way too much GOP money.  I need to remember that before I defend them...

        But the primary system in Illinois is majorly broken (the fact that Blago got a second term, and the shenanigans around the Cook County Board election as prime examples).

        I think were going to need to look at some way to put outside pressure on the system to get any kind of valid primary options, Otherwise, even the most craptacular of encumbants seem to sail to victory, as long as they have a (D) after their name.

        Those who fail to learn from history...are invited to submit an application for a position in the Bush administration.

        by Timoteo on Wed Oct 22, 2008 at 10:45:33 AM PDT

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        •  Fair enough (2+ / 0-)
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          Feanor, blueskiesfalling

          Its just that voting Green is never the answer.  In Minnesota where I live candiates get the party endorsement at party caucuses.  The people who show up have an effect on who gets picked.  If the lefties pack the caucuses, we'll have lefty candiates.  If the lefties go with the greens, than the centrists pick the candidates.  You have to be inside the tent to make a difference.

          The other problem with the idea that voting Green won't affect the Democrats is that the Greens don't reward Democrats when they do pick progressives.  In 2002, the Democrats re-nominated Paul Wellstone for Senate.  I don't know if you knew Wellstone, but you really couldn't ask for a more progressive (and generally a better) candiadte.  Yet the Greens ran a candidate against him - ironically, it was a guy who was pro-war and made his living dumping toxic waste on reservations.  So the lesson to the Democrats was that the Greens are going to screw you no matter what you do.  

      •  Of your 14 or so comments (1+ / 0-)
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        this is the one that gives me something worth thinking about.

        Thank you.

        "No one gets to be born a butterfly, not even butterflies." - Santa

        by blueskiesfalling on Wed Oct 22, 2008 at 10:45:49 AM PDT

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