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  •  This puts it in the right perspective (9+ / 0-)

    Things have really gone to shit since 2000. Imagine if Gore had won!

    "Sneezes are like porn to god" <- The Amazing Atheist

    by yuriwho on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 01:08:57 PM PDT

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    •  Well, among other things.... (5+ / 0-)
      1. He did.
      1. The Supreme Court would be much less bad.
      1. The financial crisis, which was fully bipartisan in origin, would likely be pretty much where it is today.
      1. It's anybody's guess how he would have responded to 9/11, but in all likelihood:  a) he would have been less secretive and less likely to use it as an excuse to dramatically increase the powers of the executive branch; b) the Republicans would have been much more willing to blame the Democrats for 9/11 than the Democrats were to blame the Republicans, and this would have changed the dynamics of ensuing elections.
      1. Joe Lieberman would be the Democratic Presidential nominee today.

      I have no doubt that things would be better, but this is really one of these situations in which the "what-ifs" are far too complicated to easily figure out.

      This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

      by GreenSooner on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 02:25:00 PM PDT

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      •  GORE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD A 9/11. (2+ / 0-)
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        I firmly believe this.  A Gore presidency would not have had its collective head up its ass about national security.

        •  Luck played a much bigger role in 9/11 happening (1+ / 0-)
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          ...than anybody wants to admit.

          Could Gore have stopped it? Sure. He certainly would have reacted to the "Bin Laden Determined to Strike America" memo more positively.  

          But if 9/11 had been thwarted, Al Qaeda probably had a Plan B.

          And at least some of the structural problems with US intelligence that made it possible for Al Qaeda to get lucky existed long before Bush took office.

          As to the general principal at stake: Gore would not have had his head quite so far up his ass as Bush, but anyone who supported missile defense and was more obsessed about Saddam Hussein than President Clinton had been had his head and his rectum in closer proximity than would have been best for our nation.

          This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

          by GreenSooner on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 03:43:27 PM PDT

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          •  not just the memo (2+ / 0-)
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            but Clarke's warnings.  Richard Clarke was shuffled aside, ignored, told to shut up and eventually reassigned when he kept warning about Bin Ladin -- Bush had no interest in anything except his ranch and video games, Cheney didn't care about it, and Rice was far more interested in other foreign affairs issues (I seem to remember that Rice's thing was Russia.  Didn't pan out too well for her.)
            I agree that it's too complicated to figure out what would have happened with Gore in the presidency, but the Clinton admin did try to warn the incoming Bush admin about the danger from terrorism.  And Gore was well aware of those issues.

            If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

            by Tamar on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 04:57:49 PM PDT

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    •  The GOP smear machine would have been in full (2+ / 0-)
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      slime mode for the last 8 years, and there would have been little to no netroots organization. Remember, we got started as a response to the public's lack of control and input in Washington.

      Having Gore as president would have made things easier on the American people in the short-term, but the Democratic party would be even more hollowed out and complacent than during the 90s. The GOP would still control the House and Senate, and Gore would have likely had to choose "compromise" (read: right-of-center) justices for the Supreme Court.

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