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  •  I said it was (0+ / 0-)

    the number one reason. There were other factors, of course. Every election has a zillion factors and circumstances at play.

    But, starting 15-20% down (staring in our face as in that chart above) was the major drag as:

    1. Gore needed overcome those deficits
    1. trailing so badly likely made it hard for Gore to raise money
    1. IMO, media would not have hammered/smeared Gore as hard as they did if it didn't seem that Gore didn't have a shot

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    by NeuvoLiberal on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 11:03:15 AM PDT

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    •  well..i agree (0+ / 0-)

      bill is the number one reason he lost.  Distancing himself from bill clinton jettisoned all the people who felt that he did a great job for the country, his insanity with monica notwithstanding.

      Gore's image has improved greatly since that election but at the time he had the same issues that Kerry did.  Gore was almost colorless in the wake of Clinton, did not energize and inspire people beyond his ardent supporters, beyond just supporting bc he was a dem. Whatever Bill's faults he had and has the magic that draws people to him even with doubts.

      Distancign himself from Bill was his biggest mistake.  Even today, with the anger at bill's behavior in the primaries, the protective instinct most of us have towards obama that raises a fury when he is unfairly attacked, his comments post primary...he is brought back into our good graces as soon as he speaks in support of obama.

      One thing i wish i knew..why was Bill in kentucky yesterday (or day before).  Downticket support?

      Powell on palin: I don't believe she's ready to be president of the United States, which is the job of the vice president.

      by vc2 on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 11:23:08 AM PDT

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      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

        "Distancing himself from bill clinton jettisoned all the people who felt that he did a great job for the country, his insanity with monica notwithstanding."

        That's a false claim. Gore got 86% of the Dem vote compared to 84% by Clinton/Gore in 1996, i.e. he improved upon 1996 among Dems. He also outpolled C/G/96 among indies (but Bush did better than Dole among indies), but he would've done far better with them had some independents not been turned off by Clinton fatigue (after all, Clinton's behavior gave Republicans the stick to beat him up with).

        Where Gore lost ground was Republican crossover vote: C/G96 got 13% Republican vote, but Gore only got 8%. Guess what? nearly 100% of Republicans disliked Clinton "as a person" through out 1999 and 2000.

        Clinton scandal fatigue basically closed out the southern and (what would become) the red states (where Clinton was polling around or above 70% UNFAVORABLE "as a person") for Gore out the door. That's so because: Gore started down by 15-20% nationally which means (using simple math) that he started down by some 25-35% in the red states, and that's a mountain of deficit to overcome, meaning that his only winning scenario was to eke out an electoral college victory along the lines he in fact did, i.e. a focused limited state strategy.

        "Gore was almost colorless in the wake of Clinton, did not energize and inspire people beyond his ardent supporters"

        Gore has been more inspiration since 2002, but back in 1999/2000, he was smeared by the media for 2 years straight, and the Naderwing (in addition to the usual RWNM) during 2ooo. His image was (falsely) tarnished by their lies and his message was drowned out by Nader's nonsense.

        "Distancing himself from Bill was his biggest mistake."

        Clinton distanced himself from Al Gore (not the other way around) with his sleazy and reckless behavior, knowing fully well that the rightwing was looking under every stone to bury WJC and Gore. After Gore:

        1. helped WJC win in 1992
        1. worked his ass off towards their joint successes

        Bill Clinton failed to keep his end of their partnership.

        Had polls not shown direct evidence (see one such poll here) that:

        1. WJC was badly hurting Gore
        1. his campaigning would've hurt even more (among swing voters)

        Gore would've proudly had Bill campaign for him. Think about that.

        It's fine for you have religiois faith in Bill Clinton (I was a supporter/defend of WJC and HRC as well, for nearly a decade, but I see them in an more accurate light now as I've learned a lot more fo what's under the surface), but you can't make claims that are directly contradicted by evidence.

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        by NeuvoLiberal on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 11:43:59 AM PDT

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        •  sorry about the typos: (0+ / 0-)

          Last para should be: It's fine for you to have religious faith in Bill Clinton (I was a supporter/defender of WJC and HRC as well, for nearly a decade, but I see them in a more accurate light now, as I've learned a lot more about what's under the surface), but you can't make claims that are directly contradicted by evidence.

          The evidence is resounding that: the Clinton scandal/impeachment fatigue was a severe albatross around Gore's neck in 1999 and 2000.

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          by NeuvoLiberal on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 11:47:19 AM PDT

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          •  Only because Al Gore let it... (0+ / 0-)

            be an albatross...had he made an historic speech like Obama did about the albatross around his neck (rev Wright) he would have won by a landslide and the convention was too little too late...no polling data would tell us what would have happened if he had stepped up to the plate like Obama did who had a huge albatross around his neck rather than campaigning in fear of a personal failing as if he helped Monica with the blow*ob...personally...The Al Gore of today would have done that...

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            by dvogel001 on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 11:55:31 AM PDT

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            •  The problem was the lying on tape: (0+ / 0-)

              Rove would've played this as part of a campaign ad:

              had Clinton become front and center in Gore's campaign. That was in fact their plan B (there was apparently a BBC movie about the Rove/Bush strategy on this in Sep/Oct'2000 which was not allowed to be aired in the US.)

              Gore played it just right. He gave Clinton praise at the convention and otherwise kept him and his personal unfavorables and the baggage of the tape at a healthy distance.

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              by NeuvoLiberal on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 12:20:46 PM PDT

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              •  So what... (0+ / 0-)

                The American people would not have cared...do the American people care about Rev Wright...no that is because of bold leadership and not being afraid of the polls and tackle a problem directly like the leader Barack Obama did on his potential albatross...

                And putting that video up again does not help your case...

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                by dvogel001 on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 01:57:44 PM PDT

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      •  I could not have said it any better... (0+ / 0-)

        myself...

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        by dvogel001 on Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 11:52:16 AM PDT

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