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  •  work in progress (4.00)
    that's what all of us are. i struggle every day with class, race, gender, sexual orientation prejudices, despite my nice ivy league degrees and my work for progressive causes. Feminists would rather denounce Eminem instead of examining the very real, raw feelings that lead to his rage against women. his mom was a coked up nutcase from what i gather. Kim seems to have a few screws loose too. i forced myself to listen to the song "Kim" even though it terrified me at times--but the pain, the anger, was so raw and real that i was compelled to listen to it and try to understand why Eminem had these feelings of rage towards women. that's how we attack misogyny. we shouldn't just say, "eminem sucks and hates women and he's a prick. don't listen to him." i think we have to engage those emotions, esp. the very deep-seated homophobia in the hip hop community. overcoming oppression is "hard work" to quote our President. that's why i find Eminem's work so provocative and interesting. My fave MC of all time, Tupac, was not without his contradictions towards women and gays. certain liberals would just like to denounce all hip hop and not bother listening to it.
    •  The music business (4.00)
      It has a certain package of rebellion it wants to sell.  And when the music business wants something, there are always people elbowing each other to give it to them.

      Hip-hop isn't my subculture, but punk has been for many years now.  The rules with regard to what the industry wants from each are similar, paerallel if not identical.  It wants posture, not substance in its rebellion.  They want acts that will be "bad" but threaten nothing of the status quo, hopefully reinforcement.  And the stardom dream is enough for many to give them exactly what they want, which they'll take, as long as they make a buck of them, and then spit them back out hollow husks.  It's why DIY is so important, it's the only way to avoid the meatgrinder.

      The industry wants lots of shouting about hos and fags, such "bad" boys, oh look, they're showing off their abs.  It sure beats getting confronted with stuff like--and here I'll show you just how old I am--Don't push me cause I'm close to the edge I'm just trying not to lose my head It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under.   Later I liked Digable Planets and Arrested Development, but the industry defines the sound and the market for the public, not vice versa, consumers are taught to demand what the industry wants them to demand.  Snoop, now there's a model the industry can get behind.  Like from my world they want Blink-182 right?  Sometimes accidents happen, a Public Enemy breaks through, and they have to spend 5 years upping the intensity of the faux-rebellion to distract the market from the real thing.

      </anti-corpotainmentcomplex rant>  

      •  Maybe I'm showing my age, too (4.00)
        Very, very well said! Or typed, for the sticklers.

        My Dad LOVED "The Message" when I was growing up...and now I understand why.  I liked the beat then; we live the lyrics now.  Good music/lyrics/skills just speak to you, which is why I'm blown away by Eminem's work here.  

        BTW, I checked out of rap when Digable Planets was traded for 40s and blunts and b------.  

        I think, therefore I'm damned.

        by AuntiePeachy on Tue Oct 26, 2004 at 07:21:38 AM PDT

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        •  digable planets (none)
          were da bomb. loved them. there is still a lot of good hip hop out there. it may not be on BET or MTV, but it exists (Blackilicious, Pharcyde, Common, Mos Def, Jean Grae, Ugly Duckling, Del Tron, Mr Lif etc etc). Even a statement like Jesus Walks by Kanye West is inspiring. glad that's gotten a lot of airplay.
          •  Why, oh why, do the (none)
            ...positive, and dare I say "conscious" acts get almost no airplay?  Makes me crazy!

            I just LOVE Mos Def as an actor/poet, but I've never experienced his music.  In fact, to further show my age, of the acts you listed, I only know of Pharcyde/Common/Mos Def/Kanye West (he almost doesn't count b/c he's everywhere these days).  I can't deal with the Hip Hop/R&B stations, because every other song just features some ignorant, DMX-biting grunts over a beat.  

            So my (I should say "our" since the hubby and I share part of the communte) radio listening consists of NPR & the Tom Joyner Morning Show.  But our music collection is quite varied: Anita Baker CDs, O Brother, Where Art Thou soundtrack CD; Sade on DVD and Rage Against the Machine DVD.  If we hear good music, insightful lyrics and are moved, then we purchase.

            I'm genuinely moved by Eminem's work here.  That said, it's going to take a bit more for me to support him financially.  He functions and is marketed as if the Elvis of Hip Hop, and I have issues with that. Though I'd suspect that he dislikes some--maybe even many--aspects of this, he's still a willing actor.  But there's no denying his work in this instance.

            I think, therefore I'm damned.

            by AuntiePeachy on Tue Oct 26, 2004 at 01:14:00 PM PDT

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          •  thanks for the suggestions (none)
            I'll check it out.  I'm familiar with some of the names (Mos Def, Pharcyde) but haven't really checked any of it out, I'll give them a listen.
    •  asdf (none)
      Feminists would rather denounce Eminem instead of examining the very real, raw feelings that lead to his rage against women. his mom was a coked up nutcase from what i gather. Kim seems to have a few screws loose too.

      If you had an abusive husband, that's what he'd say as well - I beat you because I had a bad childhood, because I work all day at a shitty job, because you're crazy, because my ex-girlfriend was an addict and I'm still stressed from it, etc., etc...

      They love throwing the blame onto other people and pretending that they are really the victim. They want your sympathy and understanding but it doesn't make them take responsibility for their actions.

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