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  •  Okay, you're a better man/woman than I. (4+ / 0-)
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    But I don't think encouraging votes for war, the ongoing destruction of our economy, and what Nyceve so aptly calls "murder by spreadsheet" is a "victory for Democracy" either.

    •  a republican would probably say that encourging (3+ / 0-)
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      votes for more taxes/spending and a withdrawal from Iraq isn't a victory for Democracy.

      I tend to take the middle viewpoint and am happy to see more people get involved in the process even if they wind up voting the other way.  I guess it comes from working as a poll worker during off years/primary elections and seeing single digit turnouts.

      Nothing depresses me more than the fact that some people are just too cynical or lazy to vote.  I haven't missed an election since I turned 18 -- even if I hate both candidates I'm still going to show up and cast my ballot.

      A PBS mind in a Fox News World | -5.25/-4.72 | Obama 08!

      by Crookshanks on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 08:01:30 PM PDT

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      •  Point taken - really. (3+ / 0-)
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        I wasn't being snarky when I said you're a better man/woman than I.  I know voting's important, and I've driven people to the polls not knowing how they'll vote.

        But I must admit that I want the selfish warmonger vote seriously depressed this time around, at least.  Our country desperately needs some recovery time.

        And I can't resist one more crack - anyone who wants SPENDING reduced and therefore votes Republican has not been paying attention since 1960.

        •  I guess I would dispute the notion that voting (1+ / 0-)
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          Republican makes you a 'selfish warmonger'.  There are many reasons why someone would vote Republican or Democrat.  Do you agree with every single position of the Democratic Party?  Do you think that most Republican voters agree with every position of their party?

          More to the point, am I a selfish warmonger if I voted for HRC in the 2006 Senate race?  She did vote for the AUMF....

          And I can't resist one more crack - anyone who wants SPENDING reduced and therefore votes Republican has not been paying attention since 1960.

          Oh, you are preaching to the choir here.  I completely agree.  Was just pointing out how a Republican might view things to provide the context for my own position.  I try to put myself in their shoes from time to time -- what was that quote of Biden's regarding finding the good intentions of your opponent even if you disagree with him?

          A PBS mind in a Fox News World | -5.25/-4.72 | Obama 08!

          by Crookshanks on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 08:17:37 PM PDT

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          •  No, Rs don't call (3+ / 0-)
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            themselves "selfish warmongers."  How could they? But every time I talk to one, I end up hearing about how someone else wants to take their money, and how those "tax and spend" liberals want to give it to  lazy people who won't work, or how we need to kill Iraqis before they kill us.  Fighting wars and preventing money from being spent on the common good appear to be the central planks of the Republican platform.  Seriously, I don't know what else matters to them, other than the social issues - putting God back into the public schools, putting gays back into the closet, outlawing abortion, and making gun ownership a sacrament.

            The Libertarians have a true conservative philosophy, and though I don't agree with their economic views, I can respect them.

            And no, I obviously don't agree with every Democrat's decision on everything.  I was appalled that so many Dems voted to authorize the invasion of Iraq, although I was proud that the majority of Dems voted against it.  However, I do agree with the basic platform of the Democratic Party, and I believe we need to reconstruct the New Deal posthaste.  

            •  well, some of those feelings extend from past (1+ / 0-)
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              overreaches by the Dems.  The current feelings in the country extend from pastongoing overreaches by the GOP.  It seems to me that the longer a party is in power the more likely it is that party will become corrupt.  Eventually you forget about why you ran in the first place and start to worry more about holding onto power and beating the other side.

              It always amused me to hear Rove talk about his permanent Republican majority.  Anybody who can open a history book can see the cyclical nature of American politics.  Sooner or later the GOP was bound to overreach and sooner or later the American people would get fed up with it and vote the bastards out.

              Seriously, I don't know what else matters to them, other than the social issues - putting God back into the public schools, putting gays back into the closet, outlawing abortion, and making gun ownership a sacrament.

              Well, take away the guns (I don't think gun rights are solely a Republican issue) and you've just described the social values wing of the Republican Party.  There's also the business wing, the anti-tax wing, the neo-con wing, etc, etc.  Some are more sympathetic than others -- I generally understand where the fiscal conservatives are coming from, even if I disagree with them.  I don't have a lot of sympathies for the fundamentalists and neo-cons though.

              A PBS mind in a Fox News World | -5.25/-4.72 | Obama 08!

              by Crookshanks on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 09:13:18 PM PDT

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