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  •  Well, that's ridiculous (2+ / 0-)
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    What if you intend to leave in a year when you're set for a job transfer, though perhaps you moved a few months before an election?  I don't think that would have Rethugs screaming "voter fraud!"  It's because their job is helping enfranchise voters that makes it illegitimate in their minds.

    •  It's not ridiculous (1+ / 0-)
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      States have to have some way to distinguish residents from long-term visitors. It's not a perfect test (no test could be), but it's the best one, forged out of 200 years of experience in a federal system.

      I'm not defending the Repugs, but, personally, I think this group would have helped their cause if they had stuck to registering others instead of also registering themselves to vote in Ohio. Unlike your hypothetical, they intended to be in the state short-term solely for election purposes and intended to (and some did already) leave the state when their election activities were over. Whatever difficult hypotheticals you can imagine to test the limits of the residency definition, this isn't one of them. They weren't 'residents'.

      -7.75, -7.64 www.politicalcompass.org "When the intellectual history of this era is finally written, it will scarcely be believable." -- Noam Chomsky

      by scorponic on Sat Nov 01, 2008 at 03:11:14 AM PDT

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      •  Concern trolling (0+ / 0-)

        You simply have to find an apology and justification for michelle malkin and FOX news babble? Why don't you nail the existence of hundreds of volunteers who followed the rules, from both campaigns or independently and did this same thing?

        The forms from Franklin County were clear. they are legit.

        The objections of Malkin and Fox were to cast some abuse on the success of this effort.

        Deal with that instead of trying to help abuse these volunteers yourself.

        There is a need to reform and get rid of anti democratic laws designed to hinder full and fair democracy. especially the electoral college.

        Your posts are to help fuel the anger against Quist and other because of their work and a "scandal" stoked and fired up by the FOX slimers against ACORN, other democratic efforts, and Vote from Home.

        Where is their faux outrage about Republican operatives doing this same thing? IOKIYAR.

        To strive, to seek, to find and not to yield. (1843 high school motto, Rhode Island).

        by Pete Rock on Sat Nov 01, 2008 at 06:31:55 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah, right. (3+ / 0-)
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          I think it's fine for Republicans to do this, but not Democrats. That's why I'm giving to Dem candidates until it hurts and volunteering for Obama as an election lawyer far from where I live, at my expense. It's all a cover to be able to "concern troll" on DailyKos and undermine Obama on-line with a few random comments read by 10 people, if I'm lucky.

          I think you need to find a new way to argue. Ad hominems and deliberate distortions of what your opponent is saying aren't effective tactics.

          -7.75, -7.64 www.politicalcompass.org "When the intellectual history of this era is finally written, it will scarcely be believable." -- Noam Chomsky

          by scorponic on Sat Nov 01, 2008 at 07:58:46 AM PDT

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      •  BUT.... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...if this is your opinion, then you should take it to the Franklin County Board of Elections and have them revise their instructions about the requirements to register to vote. This way, the problem would be avoided. As it is, they are not clear and therefore this leads many people - from the campaigns, other "temporary" workers, students, etc. - to do the same thing with no intent to break any laws.

        http://vote.franklincountyohio.gov/...

        •  Frankly, I don't give a... (2+ / 0-)

          ...shit. It appears the folks behind this initiative understood the definition of 'resident' in Ohio law but registered to vote there anyway based on a lack of definition of the concept on the registration form. To the extent their cutesy cleverness put them in the spotlight, I don't have much sympathy. On the other hand, their commitment in moving to Ohio to register bona fide residents of Columbus displays a terrific commitment. I have no interest in seeing them 'busted' for anything. I'm just not sure how much we need to feel sorry for them for trying to outwit the system by registering to vote in Ohio when they had no intent to reside there indefinitely. The issue on this forum is how exercised do I become about this controversy as opposed to the myriad others which also demand attention and outrage? Given the background, I'm not inclined to give it much attention.

          -7.75, -7.64 www.politicalcompass.org "When the intellectual history of this era is finally written, it will scarcely be believable." -- Noam Chomsky

          by scorponic on Sat Nov 01, 2008 at 08:04:49 AM PDT

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        •  oh bullshit (1+ / 0-)
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          these kids knew what they were doing, knew it was wrong, and fucked up.

          http://vote.franklincountyohio.gov/...

          plus, i believe many of them either went to or are in law school.  they knew they couldn't do this and hoped to get away with it.

          what a shame, because their organization otherwise had great objectives and did a lot of good.

      •  Why is it the best one? in a Federal election (0+ / 0-)

        not a state election?

        1. Therefore there should be a Federal elections act that covers all the states with consistency.
        1. The information on the registration form should be complete. It defines required length of residency before an election, it should also define how long the residency is expected to continue afterwards.

        This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

        by Agathena on Sat Nov 01, 2008 at 09:28:44 AM PDT

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        •  I agree... (0+ / 0-)

          ...but what does that have to do with THIS issue? There isn't a federal elections act, and the form didn't define what residency means. But if it is true that members of Vote from Home (as is suggested by another commenter in this diary) knew the definition of residency but registered based on the language of the registration form -- language they saw as ambiguous and decided to take advantage of -- then I have little sympathy for them, and they can't be surprised that partisans on the other side made a fuss about it. Again, if they had stuck to registering voters while voting in their home states, there wouldn't be a controversy.

          -7.75, -7.64 www.politicalcompass.org "When the intellectual history of this era is finally written, it will scarcely be believable." -- Noam Chomsky

          by scorponic on Sat Nov 01, 2008 at 09:49:19 AM PDT

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          •  There was a loss of a dozen votes (0+ / 0-)

            compared with all the votes they may have secured by their GOTV efforts. You are right, they shouldn't have pushed for their own votes.

            I just get confused from up here in Canada where the government, no matter what party is in power, actually makes it very easy to vote. They take the initiative in registration, sending us the forms. We get put on the voters' list by checking a box on our income tax returns. There are toll free info lines.

            Hey good luck on Tuesday!

            This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

            by Agathena on Sat Nov 01, 2008 at 03:56:03 PM PDT

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            •  Well, that's what you get for living... (1+ / 0-)
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              Agathena

              ...in a sane country! I swear, if Toronto didn't have arctic weather, and I could get a visa, and find a good job, and...and...and..., I'd move myself right to Canada in a heartbeat....

              -7.75, -7.64 www.politicalcompass.org "When the intellectual history of this era is finally written, it will scarcely be believable." -- Noam Chomsky

              by scorponic on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 02:24:36 AM PST

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