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  •  and when too... (0+ / 0-)

    because the results that are being fed to the vpn appear to in advance of the public results ... I think a 3 second/min (anyone?) delay. does the public feed get both results or just the delayed results?

    If man was devolving into a psychotic pit of rotted plasma, Rove would be the Alpha of such grime - By Some Smart Ass

    by Larisa on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 07:23:11 PM PDT

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    •  In WI, we get most County numbers online (1+ / 0-)
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      before the Statewide unofficial totals reflect them.

      To close the MIM vulnerability is pretty simple.

      Before each individual voting machine goes online, presumably non- or multi- partisan humans get that  machine's tallies, write them down, sign, and then report in to the County.

      The War on Drugs is $40 billion a year of Government waste.

      by ben masel on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 07:33:17 PM PDT

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      •  so what is the chain of custody we (0+ / 0-)

        are looking at in terms of how data comes in and where it goes?

        If man was devolving into a psychotic pit of rotted plasma, Rove would be the Alpha of such grime - By Some Smart Ass

        by Larisa on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 07:34:39 PM PDT

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      •  The 'presumably' (1+ / 0-)
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        part is where your argument may fall apart.

        Are there people who add up all these written numbers to compare them to the final electronic total from the data?

        How many machines are we talking about here?

        Bush's presidency is now inextricably yoked to the policies of aggression and subjugation. Mike Whitney

        by dfarrah on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 07:40:54 PM PDT

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      •  Also, I'm not (0+ / 0-)

        understanding the data flow.

        You say 'we get most county numbers online.'  Does that mean the numbers come directly from the machines to the county?  

        Bush's presidency is now inextricably yoked to the policies of aggression and subjugation. Mike Whitney

        by dfarrah on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 07:44:51 PM PDT

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        •  i am not getting the time stamps... (0+ / 0-)

          and no one has addressed that... i wish someone would take that up as well.

          If man was devolving into a psychotic pit of rotted plasma, Rove would be the Alpha of such grime - By Some Smart Ass

          by Larisa on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 07:46:44 PM PDT

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          •  Mark Crispin Miller - OH 2004 stolen: proven (0+ / 0-)

            Hi Larisa, I scanned through and did not see this  addressed.  Mark Crispin Miller was on Democracy Now on 10/22/08 and said there is conclusive evidence that Kerry won 200,000 votes in 18 Ohio counties that he was not awarded, and then 55 other counties destroyed their ballots in defiance of a court order.  See below.  Does this tie into what you know from your experts?

            http://www.democracynow.org/...

            MARK CRISPIN MILLER: Well, I know [the election was stolen] because there’s been an audit of the vote in eighteen counties of Ohio by a researcher named Richard Hayes Phillips, who had his team literally scrutinize every single ballot that was warehoused in eighteen Ohio counties. They took over 30,000 digital photographs. This is not speculation, Amy. This is a meticulous, careful, specific and conclusive demonstration that John Kerry actually won some 200,000 votes in those eighteen counties only that were taken away from him. Bush’s official victory margin, you may recall, was about 118,000. So there is no question about it. Ohio was stolen.

            AMY GOODMAN: When they—OK, so they have the pictures of all these—

            MARK CRISPIN MILLER: Pictures, there’s a CD with this book that you can—

            AMY GOODMAN: But they have the pictures of the ballots.

            MARK CRISPIN MILLER: Of the variously altered, mutilated ballots, yes. Ballots with stickers placed over the square that people had blacked in for Kerry/Edwards; somebody else blacks in Bush/Cheney. Thousands and thousands of ballots that were pre-marked before they were distributed, so that people would mark different boxes on them, and then they would be invalidated.

            Even more chilling is the fact that after Phillips did his research, the boards of elections in fifty-five Ohio counties destroyed all or some of their ballots in defiance of a court order. So we have criminal behavior here of a kind of grand and systematic kind. But the point is—not to engage in what Sarah Palin calls finger-pointing backwards, the point here is to note that we’re dealing with a consistent pattern of subversive behavior by the Republican Party since 2000 and extending all the way up to the present. What we’re seeing now is an especially brazen and diverse range of dirty tricks and tactics that are being used both to suppress the vote and also to enable election fraud.

            Also, Miriam Raftery in San Diego has done extensive work investigating election issues.  In terms of MIM, could that be what "Connection Everett" means in this story about two audit logs of the 2006 election with a (perhaps crucial) difference of one line?  Time stamps figure in there too.

            http://www.ourbackfence.org/...

            SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS RAISED AGAINST SAN DIEGO’S REGISTRAR: IS ALTERED FILE A SMOKING GUN MASKING ELECTION THEFT?

            Bruce Sims, a computer expert and election reform activist, has made numerous public records requests in an effort to examine voting records and security procedures following in San Diego's 2006 elections.  In a letter to Deputy Secretary of State Lowell Finley, Sims reveals that officials ignored his repeated requests to view the original audit log.

            According to Sims,  Seiler told him that she’d provided him with a copy of the audit log—not the original—and that the log was "post election."  However, a timestamp indicates the log was Tuesday, June 6th –date of the primary election and also the contested Congressional special election in which Republican Brian Bilbray reportedly defeated Democrat Francine Busby.  The Republican-controlled Congress at that time swore in Bilbray 16 days before his victory was certified by San Diego's Registrar.  

            Lehto filed an unsuccessful court challenge, arguing that Bilbray should not have been seated by Congress until a hand recount was completed and the race certified by the Registrar.

            Sims recently requested help from San Diego County Counsel Dennis Floyd, who provided a file that purported to be another copy of the GEMS audit log.  

            But although both files were the same size, Sims spotted a disturbing different:  the second file was missing an entry titled "Connection Everett" which had apparently been edited out.

            "This raises what I consider to be VERY serious concerns," Sims’ letter stated.  If the documents are indeed copies, he noted, then interim Registrar Mischelle Townsend made "misleading" statements to the Secretary of State.

            Moreover, he concluded that the time stamp of the entry indicated that "Deborah Seiler's response was an outright falsehood."  Sims added that "the editing out of the 'Connection Everett' is some sort of crime given the State and Federal election material retention codes."

            If the documents provided were not actual copies of the original GEMS audit log for the June 2006 election, it raises the question of why materials were not turned over as required under the public records act.  "Is it possible that the actual record no longer exists--a more than obvious violation of State and Federal election material retention codes?" Sims asked.  

            He also provided documentation suggesting that all memory cards and touch screens were not tested as required by the Secretary of State’s office.  Sims asked the Secretary of State to investigate San Diego's Registrar of Voters.  He speculated that the erased "Connection Everett" listing might refer to Diebold’s Everett, Washington location, or to a Registrar employee named Everett Giles who had Windows Administrator capabilities on the GEMS server.

            What might an insider do with such a connection?

        •  Humans at each polling place send results (0+ / 0-)

          they're read from individual machines to the County Clerk. Last I knew, this was by voice over phone. (Milwaukee adds a City step.)  

          County publishes online, and forwards as data to State Elections division for unofficial publication. The official ballots are still the machine readable paper for optical scans, preserved as eventually open record. we also have the HAVA-mandated 1 touchscreen per precinct, but this too is read and recorded by election judges on site, then reported.

          The War on Drugs is $40 billion a year of Government waste.

          by ben masel on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 08:05:22 PM PDT

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          •  Well, now you're saying that (0+ / 0-)

            machine tallies are read over the phone, rather than recorded on a piece of paper.  

            What do you mean by 'forwards as data?'  Are these the phoned-in [by human voice] results that the State will publish as unoffical or are you talking about the data that has gone from the voting machines to the SmarTech?

            It seems that the processes you describe don't really address the electronic data flow.

            Bush's presidency is now inextricably yoked to the policies of aggression and subjugation. Mike Whitney

            by dfarrah on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 08:17:00 PM PDT

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          •  Hava. What a piece (0+ / 0-)

            of Orwellian nonsense.  The Help America Vote Act.  The stated aims could have been accomplished by some braille ballots, instead we have these damn machines and manipulatable drams.

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