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  •  Simple solution (0+ / 0-)

    Have all State issued 'marriage contracts' renamed to 'civil union contracts' regardless of sexual orientation.

    Leave the word "marriage" to refer to the religious sacrament, and allow individual churches to confer this sacrament on those who qualify per their religious tenets.

    We're all equal and happy again.

    "Morbo congratulates our gargantuan cyborg president. May death come quickly to his enemies."

    by Dread972 on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 09:50:00 AM PST

    •  We went through this debate four years ago (2+ / 0-)

      The Fundies want to hold the exclusive trademark on Marriage<SMALL>TM</SMALL>
      ... and they want the state to enforce it for them.

      This is going to be a long battle.

      BushCheney Inc. - They lied to me, they lied to you, they lied to our troops.

      by jjohnjj on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 10:03:24 AM PST

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    •  WRONG (5+ / 0-)

      Straights won't go for it.

      How about all the people who DON'T get married in churches?

      And who's going to do the global "Find/Replace" on hundreds of thousands of lines of state (and, eventually, Federal) laws and tax code?

      This would be a surefire way to pass Prop 8.

      Better: Hammer into people's heads that CIVIL marriage is what we're talking about here. Religious marriage is fun, but has NO legal standing in the State unless the officiant has been granted notary duties vis-à-vis marriage paperwork BY THE STATE. The STATE governs the legal rights and responsibilities of marriage; the CHURCH can prattle on about what is OK or not in the marriages they perform, but they have NOTHING to say in the matter of weddings NOT performed within their walls. After all, are Mormons barging into synagogues, demanding the rabbi marry them?!

      Let's get real here: This is all about discrimination against homosexuals. If this passes, the Right Wing will feel free to enshrine MORE discrimination into the Constitution. Like, say, removing employment protections. Or, say, recriminalizing homosexuality. Which is the final goal of many Fundamentalists.

      NO on CA Prop 8! NO on FL Amendment 2! NO on AZ Prop 102!!

      Yes we can. Yes we can. Yes we CAN. Because we MUST. NO ON PROP 8!! No on Hate. No on 8!

      by CajunBoyLgb on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 10:05:52 AM PST

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      •  Hmm... (0+ / 0-)

        Straights won't go for it.

        I'm straight and one of those Christians, and I'm in favor of it. :)

        How about all the people who DON'T get married in churches?

        As it stands now, everyone has to fill out a contract with the State that stands separately from the ceremony.

        All I'm suggesting is we finish that divide. The State issues civil union contracts to all couples (regardless of orientation/preference/whatever) that want the legal rights the State gives to married couples now.

        What you do from that point is up to you. Whether you want a secular commemoration ceremony or you want to find a church that will unite you and your partner before God in holy marriage is your choice (and the choice of the church in question.)

        "Morbo congratulates our gargantuan cyborg president. May death come quickly to his enemies."

        by Dread972 on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 10:42:15 AM PST

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