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  •  No one said LDS doesn't do charity (4+ / 0-)
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    Heather in SFBay, 714day, Pender, dotalbon

    I said the religious right doesn't care about hungry children.  They made it very clear that their issues are social, not economic.  I am not accusing the entire LDS Church membership of being bigots, I am saying that those on the right wing fringe do not care about feeding hungry children.  I stand by that.

    •  And that line of thought is unfortunate, because (0+ / 0-)

      it's both totally irrelevant to the topic at hand, and is demonstrably inaccurate.  Do you really think that if you asked a member of the LDS whether they care about hungry children, and they gave you an honest answer, that answer would be no?

      We should be trying to have a dialogue with these people, and bring them around on as many important issues as possible.  Obviously, that's extremely difficult because of entrenched values, but it becomes nearly impossible when people on our side say ridiculous things like "control, not compassion, is the goal for the right wing fringe."

      Don't make them into an evil "other" to whom we can't relate.  Disagree with them on the issues if you'd like (as I do, passionately).  Fight their campaigns  but turning them into bad guys is both intellectually lazy and counterproductive.

      •  with all due respect (3+ / 0-)
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        Pender, CajunBoyLgb, sethtriggs

        Do you really think that if you asked a member of the LDS whether they care about hungry children, and they gave you an honest answer, that answer would be no?

        If by this question you mean if there are ANY members of the LDS Church that do not care about hungry children, the answer is a resounding yes. And even more believe that stopping two loving people from marrying is a bigger priority than feeding hungry children.  That is DEMONSTRABLY true to anyone who decides to look at the donor rolls for the Yes on 8 campaign.

        We should be trying to have a dialogue with these people, and bring them around on as many important issues as possible.

        Who are "these people", exactly?  Can you define?  If "these people" are people who feel so strongly about disenfranchising me of equal treatment under law that they will demonstrate and donate and hold up hateful signs like "God hates fags" and yell at me "Yes on 8!  Fuck the homos!" when I'm tabling for No on 8, then no, I do NOT want to have a dialogue with "these people."  The religious right wing fringe is not looking for a conversation, they are looking for dominion.

        Don't make them into an evil "other" to whom we can't relate.

        Except they are.  There is nothing in their beliefs that I can relate to.  Again, this isn't about an assault on Mormons as a whole, just those who hate my kind of love so much they would donate to and help out a cause dedicated entirely to making me a second class citizen.

      •  Give me a break. (1+ / 0-)
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        deaniac83

        Do you really think that if you asked a member of the LDS whether they care about hungry children, and they gave you an honest answer, that answer would be no?

        And do you really think that if you asked a member of the LDS church whether they have expended more time and energy this year on the feeding and care of the hungry or on trying to eliminate my right to marry the man I love, any but a small handful would tell you the former?

        Please. The LDS church has never dedicated itself to ANY single project like it is dedicating itself to this one. Implying some kind of equivalence between their all-out persecution of gays and their token care for the poor is like the quip about Mussolini making the trains run on time.

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