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  •  No. Marriage is a word that, until the 20th (0+ / 0-)

    Century, had general usage as defining a union, usually religious, between a man and a woman.  To many, same sex marriages are still a foreign and irreligious concept.  That's changing, with the advent of civil unions and same sex marriage, but it's not changing fast enough for some.   Thus, if the State stops using that historic anachronism to describe the document that they issue to sanction those unions, and leaves people alone to define their own unions by issuing a gender and religion neutral document to acknowledge those unions, what's wrong with that?  

    Like I said, this battle is more about power than anything else.  It should be about love. Sad, really.  

    Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

    by SpamNunn on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 10:36:20 AM PST

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    •  I'm Not So Sure... (0+ / 0-)

      "Marriage" in the past usually concerned the union of two FAMILIES through a socially-recognized union of a son and daughter. It was a consolidation of two families' WEALTH and PROPERTY.

      It was convenient to recognize the union in church, since that was the place where most of the community could be gotten into one place. But the main goal was that wealth and property consolidation.

      Poor people generally made do back in that time with common-law marriages, when that option was available.

      Marriage for love was romanticized in Shakespeare's time, but really only was the "norm" starting around the time of Queen Victoria. And marriage as a religious sacrament is recent as well-- but before Victorian times.

      Don't forget: "Traditional" marriage throughout most of the Old Testament was polygamous in nature. Traditions fall by the wayside. And once people have married same-sex couples in their circle of friends, their objections fall away pretty quickly.

      Unless they're complete dolts.

      NO on CA Prop 8! NO on FL Amendment 2! NO on AZ Prop 102!!

      Yes we can. Yes we can. Yes we CAN. Because we MUST. NO ON PROP 8!! No on Hate. No on 8!

      by CajunBoyLgb on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 11:07:22 AM PST

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