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  •  The only good thing about hiring Rahm (4+ / 0-)
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    is that this eliminates a big source of Clinton mischief in congress.

    As for Robert Gibbs, this is the man hired by the Clintons to take down Howard Dean in Iowa.

    The point of the matter is that Obama was vited in to shake things up, not appease the establishment.

    •  Tell me more about Gibbs (0+ / 0-)

      and the Clinton's taking down Dean in Iowa.  I always figured the Clinton's screwed Dean in Iowa, and actually, I always figured they promoted Kerry into the nomination in 2004, but I've never read anything in depth about it.  Any sources/articles for that info?

      •  Gibbs connection -- the "Osama" ad (3+ / 0-)
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        I don't know about any Clinton ties, but Gibbs, who was a Kerry operative, was connected, along with several Gephardt campaign staffers/backers, to a secretive 527 laughably called Americans for Jobs, Healthcare & Progressive Values, which ran a particularly ugly ad against Dean using the image of Osama bin Laden (similar to the anti-Cleland ad in Georgia) to attack Dean on foreign policy. At the time the ad ran, nobody knew who was behind the AFJHPV, because they weren't required to reveal that information until the quarterly report to the FEC, as I recall, and by that time, Dean's campaign was nearly over.

        Here's a CBS story about it:

        http://tinyurl.com/...

        If Howard can forgive and forget, I suppose I can, too. It does make me a bit uneasy that so many in Obama's inner circle are not Dean fans, at least not initially. Perhaps they've been converted. Of course, Gibbs' biggest sin is being an Auburn grad, but I guess I can forgive that too. :)

        •  Kerry didn't support Hillary this election (0+ / 0-)

          And I always found that interesting, I wonder if Kerry now believes that the Clinton's set him up, helping him defeat Dean for the nomination in 2004, but letting him lose the election without much help from them at all. I recall stories of Clinton operatives and money arriving in Iowa about two weeks before the primary and promoting Kerry bigtime. IIRC, Kerry was at something like 10% in the polls before that. The Clinton's needed some hapless Democrat to "hold her place" so Hillary could run in 2008, and it couldn't be Dean because he might actually WIN the election on the wave of anti-war sentiment. So when it came Hillary's "turn" this time around, Kerry (the dupe) got his revenge by supporting Obama, not Clinton.

          Thanks for the link.  I too am a bit concerned about Obama's apparent willingness to have Clintonistas thru out his administration.  But he's a bright guy, and I am hoping this is just evidence of his earlier quoting Lincoln, that he should "keep his friends close and his enemies closer."  If these people are right next to him, he will certainly be aware of what they are doing.

        •  So this is the guy that f*cked Dean... (0+ / 0-)

          I hate him now.

        •  wow, thanks for the info re Gibbs (0+ / 0-)

          I definitely remember that ad.

          It is a little disconceting that "so many in Obama's inner circle are not Dean fans".

          Dean is a very rare pol -- so unvarnished. One of the things that I love about him, and probably one of the things that Dem leadership hates about him.

    •  Gibbs has been with Obama for two years and will (2+ / 0-)
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      go to the WH with him.  He obviously is good at his job no matter who he is working for.

      These people are now working for Obama, and there are damn few of them around that can do the job.

      If we are going to have to give these people some extreme litmus test we will not have the best people as the community of capable and effective Dems that Obama can trust is small.  

      Again, I trust Obama to do the right thing, and right now I see Gibbs going to the WH with Obama instead of some moronic Republican going with McCain.

      Do not underestimate Rahm.  While he also is not "pure" he knows how to get things done and obviously having ties to the Clintons can be seen as a plus as they are not going away anytime soon, and Hillary did get 17 million votes.  

      I think it is counterproductive to give everyone the same litmus test and try to eliminate those who we think might be tainted because of some Clinton connection.  

      Now, if Obama hires Harold Ford or Ickes then I will rethink my my stance.  :-)

      •  In many ways, Obama has desolved DLC strategy (1+ / 0-)
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        Sometimes it's better to bring on board people who see that the approach they once took was wrong. Smart people are still smart people and they will be more insightful about avoiding things they tried that failed while salvaging a few things that worked.

        Chapter 8 of Neoconomics: The Chickenhawks Come Home to Roost.

        by Noodles on Tue Nov 11, 2008 at 10:16:30 AM PST

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        •  In the end we all want one thing, an end to (0+ / 0-)

          the disastrous effects of Republican rule.

          We need the best and the brightest Democrats and I trust Obama to bring the people he can work with to get the job done.  

      •  I hold a grudge. F*ck Gibbs. (0+ / 0-)

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