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  •  NOTE: Not exactly a "50 State Strategy". (3+ / 0-)
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    Credit where it's due:  Obama and the DNC fought in -- and won in -- earstwhile GOP strongholds, e.g., Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina.

    However, a 35 State Strategy (much better than an 8 State Strategy, mind you) is not a 50 State Strategy.

    Neither the Obama Campaign nor the DNC put any time, money, effort into states like mine, Alabama.  He got kind of wiped out here, notwithstanding herculian efforts by hundreds and thousands of Democratic / Obama Volunteers who did not "wait for orders".  Nevertheless, the hitherto gospel-like, self-fulfilling prophecies that Dean/Obama laid to waste in Virginia continue unabated in states like Alabama and several of the "flyover" states.

    Had a few million $ and two swings through Alabama from Obama during the General Election campaign made the difference?  More likely than not the answer is "No".  But to say, "Aha!  Then that just proves that we should blow-off those 'Damn Dirty Red States'!" just harkens-back to the pre-"50 State Strategy" mentality that I thought Dr. Dean was trying to wholly discredit.


    "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

    by BenGoshi on Tue Nov 11, 2008 at 07:39:41 AM PST

    •  are you sure Alabama has 0 organizers? (0+ / 0-)

      Remeber DNC doesn't equal the Obama compaign...The DNC paid for 2-4 volunteers per state..gooing back to 2005. Now the Obama team took advantage of them in some of those states.

      Dean's strategy was explicitly for all 50 states...even Alaska (where a convicted republican felon is competitive with a respected democratic mayor!!!).

      You are right about Obama's campaign, he only fought in places where he was in shooting range. I think most of us realize that, but are being imprecise.

      •  See this . . . (0+ / 0-)

        here, e.g..  Eventually it did open - but that was only a local thing.  No from-the-Obama-campaign organizers to speak of, if any.

        If they existed, they were hidden:  I have been in rather close contact with several of the County Democratic HQ around the state.  Word was, "Oh, so-n-so is supposed to be (or reckons themselves to be) the 'Obama person', but no one really knows who that is."  

        No county or part of Alabama was more organized, nor worked harder than the Madison County Democratic Party (Huntsville, Alabama -- big NASA, high tech, etc. area) and they did it absolutely on their own.

        I can't say this enough times:  individual counties and droves of volunteers and certainly candidates worked like hell with all kinds of enthusiasm for Obama and all down-ticket candidates.  So I'm very proud of what was done in this state.  For the first time since 1962 a Democrat (Montgomery Mayor Bobby Bright) was elected to Congress out of Alabama's Second Congressional District).

        I'm just saying that there was not an Obama or National Campaign here.  Obama signs and buttons and bumper stickers and enthusiasm and all that, certainly.  But the National Campaign wrote-off Alabama.  That's fine, as the EC vote and popular vote truly do give President-Elect Obama a mandate, if ever there was one.  Just saying that the "50 State Strategy" meme does not square with what actually happened.  

        Again, a 35 State Strategy is much, much better than all those "8-10 State Strategy" campaigns from elections before.  But we should not call it a 50 State Strategy if, in fact, it was not a true 50 State Strategy.  



        "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

        by BenGoshi on Tue Nov 11, 2008 at 08:57:22 AM PST

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    •  Oh, picky picky-- (2+ / 0-)
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      of course resources are placed where the odds are the better.  And your comment about the herculian efforts by volunteers directly undercuts your assertion that a 50 state strategy did not exist.

      Dean wasn't talking only about presidential elections.  He was talking about local elections as well.  I would hope that some of the activists you mention would run for school boards, city councils, and state legislator positions.

      Bush's presidency is now inextricably yoked to the policies of aggression and subjugation. Mike Whitney

      by dfarrah on Tue Nov 11, 2008 at 08:48:19 AM PST

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      •  No "honest, honest." (0+ / 0-)

        You are inexperienced.

        There were herculian efforts by local volunteers during the Kerry Campaign, and Gore Campaign, and Clinton '06 and Clinton '02 Campaigns, and Dukakis '88 Campaign.  I know -- I was part of all those.  Those volunteers come out and work their hearts out whether or not the State is considered "worthy" by the national campaign.

        By the way, Mike Dukakis and Al Gore both came through Alabama during the general election campaign.

        Your arrogance about "picky, picky" is exactly the kind of attitude that makes Democrats in Non-Blue and/or "Toss-up/Battleground" states too often feel like their party's abandoned them.  It's EASY to be a Democrat in NYC or Seattle or S.F.  I'd like to see some of those who take all the support-group/network as a "given" deal with being a Liberal in Oklahoma, or Utah, or Alabama.  Our enthusiasm's never dampened, although we are constantly rolling our eyes at those in "Liberal States" who act like, well, their shit doesn't stink.


        And in NONE of those campaigns was Alabama part of a

        "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

        by BenGoshi on Tue Nov 11, 2008 at 09:04:52 AM PST

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