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  •  That can't happen. (2+ / 0-)
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    Civil unions will always be a second-class status by virtue of their name. Even if every single right is exactly the same. They will never be equal.

    Want to understand why the word 'marriage' matters? Go here to read the diary I wrote on that very topic on the night before the California Supreme Court found that it was unconstitutional to forbid same-sex couples the right to marry.

    Comfort the disturbed. Disturb the comfortable.

    by Killer of Sacred Cows on Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 09:20:41 AM PST

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    •  Bulldagger (0+ / 0-)

      If straight people have "civil unions," then civil unions won't be "second class."

      That's the goal. I say, let the churches have their fucking word.

      What happened to you sucks, there's no two ways about it; you have to realize, though, that one battle lost is not the end of the war.  How many times were the leaders of the civil rights movement arrested, beaten, or denegrated?

      In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote. That Guy/Another Fella '08

      by Dracomicron on Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 09:30:17 AM PST

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      •  That word does not now, nor has it ever, (2+ / 0-)

        belonged to the churches. And if you think it's going to be so easy to make "civil union" fully the equivalent of marriage, go around and start referring to all your wedded friends' marriages as civil unions and see how they react. I doubt they're going to like it.

        •  Hard to take that seriously (0+ / 0-)

          When a priest or minister can give me legal rights and responsibilities by granting me "married" status, your "not now, nor has it ever" theory doesn't hold water.  When, throughout history, entire sects formed and re-formed based on the church's role in marriage, you should probably concede that you're not correct.

          My married friends don't give a rat's ass what I call their relationship; they know what they mean to one another.

          In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote. That Guy/Another Fella '08

          by Dracomicron on Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 10:14:00 AM PST

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          •  Ah, but there's the flaw in your argument (2+ / 0-)

            The priest or minister can't give you legal rights and responsibilities as a function of his/her priesthood or ministry. S/he can only do that as an agent of the state. That's easily proven. Get as many religious functionaries as you can round up, from as many different denominations/traditions as you like. Have them all pronounce you "man and wife" with your beloved, but without any of them bothering to fill out and sign a marriage certificate issued by the state. Then attempt to convince the said state that you are, in fact, married.

            And if your married friends don't give a rat's ass what you call their relationship, then why should they get all up in arms when we want to call our relationships by the same name they use for theirs?

            •  Why are they agents of the state, though? (0+ / 0-)

              What qualifications do religious personel possess to be allowed to perform this function for the state?

              And none of my married friends are "up in arms" over what words you use to define your relationship.  None of them care one way or another.  Stop assuming discrimination.

              In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote. That Guy/Another Fella '08

              by Dracomicron on Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 12:12:13 PM PST

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              •  They have to be deputized (1+ / 0-)
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                The mechanism presumably varies from state to state. But it is not intrinsic or inherent.

                I don't have to assume discrimination. Fifty-one percent of California voters just wrote it into their state constitution.

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