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  •  I don't think that's a terribly rational position (3+ / 0-)

    Barack Obama is a lot of things. But a gay rights advocate, he really isn't. He's a middle-of-the-road centrist whose first choice is always going to be to soft-pedal, defer, or delay when it comes to gay rights. He won't even stand up in public and defend them--only where it's "safe" to do so and where the major media are absent. The climate for gay rights in the U.S. is mostly in exactly the same place it was yesterday: lagging behind most of the rest of the developed world.

    •  Bullshit revisionist history (0+ / 0-)

      Obama talked gay rights in his stump speeches in front of the national media.  There was a candidate that only talked about gay rights to gays at gay events, for the most part, but she wasn't Barack Obama.

      I will be happy when Obama proves you wrong.  I imagine that you will be, too.

      In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote. That Guy/Another Fella '08

      by Dracomicron on Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 10:17:24 AM PST

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      •  Where? When? (1+ / 0-)
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        Provide links and show your evidence. Or shut the fuck up.

        •  Didn't watch any of his stump speeches did you? (0+ / 0-)

          It took me 10 seconds on YouTube searching for "Obama gay marriage" to come up with all sorts of relevant material, including his infamous debate with Alan Keyes.  I don't think you want to believe in him.

          http://www.youtube.com/...
          http://www.youtube.com/...
          http://www.youtube.com/...

          Do I get to not shut the fuck up now?

          In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote. That Guy/Another Fella '08

          by Dracomicron on Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 12:01:27 PM PST

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          •  Nice try, but no (0+ / 0-)

            His debate with Alan Keyes was during his Senate race. Nobody outside of Illinois saw that one.

            There's no indication of where or when the first clip took place. The second clip was his LOGO interview--which I guarantee you nobody not in the LGBT community saw, and not even all of them, considering how few cable companies even carry LOGO.

            You're 0-for-3. Keep digging that hole.

            •  Stuff it. (0+ / 0-)

              The LOGO thing is on the internet and has 192,000 views just on that clip.  Another of those clips is being spread around by anti-gay rights folks to their ilk.  

              The Keyes debate is infamous in some circles and has tons of YouTube hits.  Even if it relates to his senate race, it's still a legitimate insight into his thoughtfulness on the issue.

              I just gave you the first three that popped up when I ran a search.  You don't want to believe anything good about Obama on this issue.  I don't have time for bitter people who see no room for compromise on their key issue.  

              In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote. That Guy/Another Fella '08

              by Dracomicron on Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 12:21:48 PM PST

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              •  Oooh, it's on the intertoobz (1+ / 0-)
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                And has 192,000 hits. There were more than 121 million votes cast in this country last night for president. Sixty-three million of those votes were cast for Obama. There are something on the order of 17 million registered voters in California. Two hundred thousand views is around 1.2% of that number, and about 0.3% of Obama voters.

                Exactly what circles is the Keyes debate infamous in? (It might be worth pointing out that I'm (a) gay and (b) a registered voter in Illinois. I didn't watch it when it was live, and I haven't looked at it since then. Alan Keyes is a cardboard cutout of a person, and nobody here or anywhere else with anything like normal intelligence takes him at all seriously.) That video has even fewer than 192,000 hits (148,729).

                Those are really the numbers you want to stake your claim on that Obama has actually made any effort to speak about gay rights issues in the full glare of the media spotlight? 'Cuz if they are, I'm just going to laugh even harder at your nonsense.

                •  Eh. (0+ / 0-)

                  He talked about gay equality in the primary stump speech that he gave at the Target Center in Minneapolis.  I heard it with my own two ears.

                  Laugh if you want.

                  In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote. That Guy/Another Fella '08

                  by Dracomicron on Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 12:37:32 PM PST

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                  •  Once (0+ / 0-)

                    In front of how many people? Were there media present? How many of them wrote about it? How long did he spend on "gay equality"? Or did he, as is his custom, just happen to mention it tangentially and then move on to other, less-controversial matters very quickly?

                    •  It was part of his stump speech. (0+ / 0-)

                      What part of "stump speech" aren't you getting?  He said the same damn thing two or three times a day for months.

                      Did you rip apart Hillary Clinton this badly on this subject?

                      In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote. That Guy/Another Fella '08

                      by Dracomicron on Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 12:53:48 PM PST

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                      •  Did you hear it (0+ / 0-)

                        two or three times a day for months? I sure as hell didn't. In fact, I never heard it at all.

                        And yes, Hillary Clinton's record on gay rights is only marginally better than Obama's. They're both centrists. I never expected anything better from either one of them--in contrast to all the folks who thought he was going to be this liberal god who would wave his hand and magically make progress happen. I've said all along that Obama is going to screw the gay community. Or at the very least not going to lift a finger to prevent other people from screwing us.

                        •  You weren't listening, then. (0+ / 0-)

                          Obama's for a full repeal of DOMA and DADT.  Clinton wasn't.  

                          You're mistaking having gay-pandering events for actually being a friend to the community methinks.  

                          I've said all along that Obama is going to screw the gay community.

                          I get it now.  You made up your mind during the primaries and are no longer willing to suffer a dissenting opinion or do research.  Probably think an "ex-gay" gospel singer is proof enough.

                          Roger that.

                          In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote. That Guy/Another Fella '08

                          by Dracomicron on Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 01:08:51 PM PST

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