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  •  Talking people out of California vacations (4+ / 0-)

    I have some friends here in BC, a lesbian couple, who were contemplating a vacation to Disneyland soon.  I don't think they are aware of the proposition, so I will let them know this afternoon and they can change their vacation plans accordingly.  No sense in spending all that money in a state where they are considered inferior citizens whose love is "unconstitutional".

    •  yep - and have them let CA know (2+ / 0-)
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      SallyCat, Killer of Sacred Cows

      they didn't travel because of it.

      it's more than a bump in the road, but it's also not the end of the story.

      Join Soulforce-seeking Justice for God's GLBT children.
      Time to change the mindset - Obama 'O8!

      by its simple IF you ignore the complexity on Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 11:00:31 AM PST

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    •  As A Straight Married Man (2+ / 0-)
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      pfeester, Killer of Sacred Cows

      Who believes strongly in civil liberties and personal happiness, it really sucks that this Prop might pass.

      I mean it really, really sucks.

      But, there are a couple of reasons to still be hopeful.

      1. There are still something like three million absentee ballots that have no been counted. It is widely believed that absentee ballots in this state break in favor of Democrats.
      1. I don't know the number, but there are provisional ballots to be counted as well.
      1. If neither above point overcomes the Yes lead; there is an army of lawyers waiting to file lawsuits and fight this.

      I live in L.A. county, just outside the city. I've seen the crazies who insist that hating and discriminating against a certain segment of society, (even though they don't personally believe that's what they're doing), is the proper way for them to act. And for the rest of us to tolerate.

      There were many of us who opposed them. We had our signs up. We phone banked. We talked to the other side calmly. We also argued with the other side loudly. But, sometimes there's just no way to change a mind that has been programmed to believe something for so long.

      The other problem I have is that the ballot itself was confusing. Many people I spoke with weren't sure if "Yes" meant "For" gay marriage. Again, I don't have a number, but I do think a little more understanding of the wording would have helped.

      Maybe.

      But more importantly, please don't blame the entire state. There are angry, intolerant idiots all over America, not just in California. Many of us here are not just disgusted with this vote ~ we're embarrassed.

      And we'll keep on fighting.

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