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  •  bipartisanship a myth in talk radio america (1+ / 0-)
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    the 1000 or more stations that make up the talk radio monopoly and blast limbaugh and hannity and company 24/7 to as many people as voted for obama are dedicated to making excuses for anything republican and assaulting anything liberal/progressive/dem/thoughtful. any talk of bipartisanship is basically a waste of time as long as that monopoly remains intact and invisible to progressives who get a headache from listening to it and subsequently strategize in a talk radio vacuum, unable to explain how the GOP keeps their 'moderates' and the blue dog (limbaugh dems) in line and assuming the GOP has twice the consensus they actually have.

    ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

    by certainot on Thu Nov 06, 2008 at 07:08:30 PM PST

    •  Don't get me started on the "Fairness Doctrine" (0+ / 0-)

      I couldn't agree more that Limbaugh has used his freedom to "tell the truth" as he sees it to become the most injurious and divisive figure in American media today.

      However, this diary is meant to focus our efforts on undoing what Rush and Hannity have done and continue to do.  When we use their same attitudes to fight their lies and half-truths we do nothing but further the chasm between ideologies.  I am with Obama, we need to be building bridges.

      •  my point (0+ / 0-)

        is that the disinformation is a major factor that must be factored in or all efforts at bipartisanship are much harder. there is some disarray in the machine now but progressives can't count on that to continue and once they're back on track that lack of a filibuster-proof majority will become more apparent and not  worth the convenience and distaste of having to do something about the talk radio monopoly. the local RW talk radio stations are the heart of the GOP and for liberals to ignore that and rely on some general feeling that we've been on the wrong track and the public will come around to obama's message is to ensure the past will recycle. to many of those people who voted for mccain, the talk radio base palin brought in, obama might as well be the antichrist. for him and the dems who should be making radical changes to deal with global warming immediately there is no time time to be placating lock step flat earthers who believe limbaugh's daily coal industry denial segment in such numbers that they will enable 41 senators to deny the immediacy as well. yes there are other sources of information available to them but for many parts of the red state expanses if you're working or driving that's it for current events.

        ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

        by certainot on Thu Nov 06, 2008 at 07:52:51 PM PST

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        •  I almost agree (0+ / 0-)

          except that the only quick fix I can see is to reverse the fairness doctrine and end the ability of Rush and countless others to spew their hateful speech on the airwaves.  Then what do you imagine would happen?

          The backlash from the extremists would be immense and not just from the right.  Howard Sterns, Don Imus, Rachel Maddow and countless others would be taken off the air or forced to change their rhetoric.  Millions of listeners would feel their voice of choice had been silenced by Obama himself.  It would not end well.

          What would you suggest we do about ending the hate on our nation's airwaves?  I certainly don't see an easy way out, but I would love to be able to listen to AM radio again without hearing Rush or his ilk.

          •  the propaganda, not so much the hate bothers me (0+ / 0-)

            monopolizing  public air waves for coordinated political framing, distortion, and a manipulation is the problem for me. there will always be hate. something as simple as requiring them to take unscreened calls would put a damper on a lot of the bigger hate mongers (and the political lies).

            the fairness doctrine doesn't mandate equal time as i understand it- just an opportunity for rebuttal. stern and imus are not so political and rachel or any of the air am regulars don't have to lie much. it would be a problem if a new fairness doctrine mandates equal time for flat earthers, which seems to be the problem on tv when discussing global warming or evolution- and that is another effect of the power of the right, largely from talk radio. limbaugh and hannity revel in singling out examples of "liberal media" where the flat earth position wasn't considered and getting thousands of dittoheads to fax and mail hate at the parent offices. we've had many years of media bending backwards trying not to look 'liberal' and largely unaware of the effectiveness of talk radio and actually believing they were reacting to some american citizen consensus. and it enables the media's republican/corporate owners.

            in the southern part of colorado some years ago out of the 5 AM stations i could get 3 had limbaugh on. one denver limbaugh station KOA 850 reaches 38 states at night- listen to their evening show and the obama lies that no doubt will continue.

            citizens calling complaining boycotting picketting their local talk stations and their sponsors would be  a regular occurrence if americans knew how critical the talk radio machine has been for lying us into this disaster. and from now on it will be dedicated to distorting everything obama and his supporters will try to do. but without a searchable transcript database to track teh migration of talking points and myths into the mainstream and onto the floor of congress and into the state of the union speeches the people it attacks the most may just continue to ignore it unless something is done on a regulatory level.

            the disaster of the last 20 years, since the fairness doctrine was abolished- the "reagan revolution" and the destruction of the middle class, the economy, lying us into war, hamstringing clinton, global warming denial, the myth of a center right america-  much of it could have been averted if the normal democratic feedback mechanisms initiated by an informed public hadn't been undercut by the talk radio monopoly and the alternative reality it has been allowed to create through sheer repetition 24/7 365 to an audience as big as the one that voted for obama.

            ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

            by certainot on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 06:27:04 AM PST

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            •  A centrist's view (0+ / 0-)

              I understand exactly what you are feeling.  It's the same thing I feel from watching the most of the television media and their "biased" reporting of the facts.  Although everyone deny's that the major networks are not biased, I can tell you that I viewed enough of them over the course of the campaign to know exactly what talking points were going to be coming out of the mouths of the parade of "guests" that we were bombarded with.  In my opinion, liberals dominate most of the TV and print medium and conservatives found a voice in radio.  

              Consider this example.  As you know a big deal was made of the amount of money spent on the new wardrobe for Sarah Palin.  I think the reason this was even brought up was to play the "class" warfare card between the "haves" and "have nots".  I recognize that part of this was due to the image she was portraying, and this was designed to discredit that portrayal.  The interesting thing is that not a word was said about Michele Obama's designer wardrobe. In fact just today MSN.com had a feature on her

              "In Narciso Rodriguez
              First Lady of fashion Michelle Obama has been setting trends in colorful shift dresses punched up with chunky costume jewelry. "I've learned to go with colors and cuts that look good on me, that I'm comfortable in," Obama has said. And, although she wears the cream of American designers including Narciso Rodriguez, Isabel Toledo and Thakoon Panichgul, she's just as comfortable -- and stylish! -- in budget buys from J. Crew and Gap. Should be a very fashionable four years!

              Just another example of the "spin" that goes on day after day in the media.

              •  I think the main point was (0+ / 0-)

                that Palin was using the campaign's funds to go on her shopping sprees while Michelle Obama was most likely using her own money and has proven to be fairly frugal as well as having an occasional flair for the flamboyant designer wear.

                I could be wrong here, but something tells me all the clothes in the Obama's closets wouldn't add up to 150K.

                •  My point is (0+ / 0-)

                  that it should never have been brought up at all.  With all of the money spent by both sides on this campaign I am sure there are plenty of expenditures that could be called in to question.  It's the dirty/negative side of politics that keeps good people from having an honest discussion about the "real issues" that we face.

          •  Ending the hate (0+ / 0-)

            Due to the nature of my job I spend a lot of time in my car.  In the Los Angeles area I have essentially 5 choices on the am/fm dial for talk radio listening.  They include: KFI which broadcasts Limbaugh, Dr Laura and John and Ken; KABC which starts with Doug McIntyre, Bill O'reilly, Al Rantel, Sean Hannity then Larry Elder;  KRLA has Dennis Pragar, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt: Air America which has Stefanie Miller, Thom Hartman, Randi Rhodes, Rachel Maddow, Ron Regan, and Mike Malloy;NPR Radio

            If I were to guess my radio listening habits they would be:
            30% KRLA
            30% Air America
            20% KABC
            20% KFI (I don't listen to Limbaugh)

            Whether I listen to the left or the right my goal is to wade through the BS and find the facts so I can make my own opinion.  I don't think the fairness doctrine is the way to resolve this. Having equal time for both sides won't correct the misinformation that is being spread on both sides of the dial.  

            I'd rather see a group of fair minded thinkers from both sides work together to put out the facts in a way that people can think for themselves. Is this possible?  I have heard that being in the "middle of the road" is not a safe place to be.

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