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  •  Joe must Go (13+ / 0-)

    Period.

    He cannot be allowed to keep his power within the caucus after what he's done to torpedo the Democratic Party.  He's scum, and that party has another name.

    •  Interesting Story (2+ / 0-)
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      When I was a sophomore in high school, I got the chance to go to Washington, and I got to go underneath the Capitol building - it was pretty exciting! When I was there, I saw Joe Lieberman walking down a hallway. Something must have gotten to him, because he stopped and veered off into the bathroom.

      At the time, I thought, "Boy - that is a perfect metaphor for your career, Joe."

      •  Honorable Byrd is the exact opposite of Lieberman (19+ / 0-)

        Today Sen. Byrd gave up one of the most powerful positions in Congress.  He gave up his chairman ship of the Appropriations Committee.  Voluntarily.  For the betterment of the Senate, for the betterment of his party, and for the betterment of the new President.  And undoubtedly for the betterment of his nation.

        Then you look at old fuckface over there from Connecticut.  That one.  

        Barack Obama is going to be the next President of the United States.

        by LarsThorwald on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 11:38:11 AM PST

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        •  Really? Whan a man! [nt] (3+ / 0-)
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          Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living~~Mother Jones

          by CA Berkeley WV on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 11:39:47 AM PST

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          •  Lieberman was USED by the Republican Party (3+ / 0-)
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            run our noses in shit that he disagreed with us on. He was USED to show that nation that Democrats are disorganized and have no true Loyalties. He was USED as a counter-point to our basic beliefs.

            HELL, even Sean Hannity liked the man. That is enough, right there, to kick his ass out of the party.

            "The budget should be balanced; the treasury should be refilled; debt should be reduced; and the arrogance of officials should be controlled." Cicero 106-43 BC

            by TKH on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 11:54:12 AM PST

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            •  No, he used us. (4+ / 0-)

              He knew what he was doing.

              Listen to Noam Chomsky's Necessary Illusions. (mp3!)

              by borkitekt on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 11:56:54 AM PST

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              •  Political Animal (Steve Benin) (5+ / 0-)
                makes an excellent point.  His motivation is to steer the investigations going foreward, the same as he has in the past. He blocked investigations that Waxman supported, and now he'll try to investigate the Obama administration at every turn.  Obama cornered this rat bastard in congress one time; and everyone wondered what he told him.  I think he needs to let Harry in on the secret, because Harry is starting to look disloyal to the administration.  What's up with Reid anyway?!  I can't believe he ever boxed professionally.  He seems like a spineless wimp.
                •  Emotions + Politics = Counter-productivity (0+ / 0-)

                  Everybody thinks Lieberman is a douche bag, but, frankly, I doubt one person on this blog has any meaningful insight into the consequences of indulging our lizard-brain instincts to "punish" him.

                  We have no clue as to the trade-offs involved. As imperfect as our elected officials can be, I would rather trust their judgement --Reid included-- as to whether it is in the interest of the progressive agenda to jettison Lieberman or not.

                  Short term satisfaction at the cost of long term goals is merely self-indulgence.

                  •  Maybe that mentality has been the problem (2+ / 0-)
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                    for Dems, causing them to be ineffective.  I think the Democrats always worry about consequences and subsequently do nothing when they should act boldly. He's a fox in the hen house and has brazenly proven it over and over again.  It quacks and it waddles, and we can see that before ever getting emotional.  

                    •  The stakes are too high... (0+ / 0-)

                      I stand by my point. It doesn't matter what I think or what you think or anyone else on this blog thinks. This is not a black and white issue and most people here act as if it is.

                      I don't know if getting rid of Lieberman is a net gain or net loss, especially with three senate seats undecided. But I do know that I don't have the information, political savvy or insight to make the best choice. Neither does anyone else here.

                      This isn't about what offends our sensibilities as Democrats. It's about what moves the ball forward and more often than not, political deals are made in a sausage factory and some pretty questionable ingredients go into them. It ain't pretty, but it's true. It's easy to be armchair quarterbacks. It's hard to actually be on the front lines responsible for outcomes...

                      •  "net gain or net loss' (0+ / 0-)

                        You really think the sight of Leberman running around and crapping over democrats jeering and sliming as he as been full throat since December of 2003 is good for Democrats?

                        Until this site and similar, Deans's work at DNC and the Obama campaign Dmocrats were weak to the point of collossal failures. Lieberman is the symbol,the badge of honor to make a mockery of anything the Democrats do.Until he leaves the leadership,
                        the senate Democrats will be crippled with his blackmail and tricks.

                        cast away illusions, prepare for struggle

                        by Pete Rock on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 04:05:13 PM PST

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                  •  Your full of it. (1+ / 0-)
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                    How long would joe LIE-berman have lasted in the Repiglican party? Not two seconds. He lied to his constituents to get elected he set up his own party! He is NO Democrat. We need not make excuses for his behavior. This kind of stuff should not be tolerated. Joe must go.

                    Disabled Viet Vet ret. My snark is worse than my bite

                    by eddieb061345 on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 01:09:24 PM PST

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                  •  At 49 there was a gain-gain (3+ / 0-)
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                    tel me what the gain is now?

                    He belongs to a Party of One. It is one thing to not endorse Obama. Lots of Dems never officially endorsed. To demand seniority AND campaign against the nominee of the party you want to recognize that seniority is more self-centered than most.

                    My boss made what he considered a mistake by letting an employee who quit, moved to another state to take another job, and then come back retaining seniority. He told me never again. I have been here since 1981. It sort a grated me but I kept it to my self.

                    Sen. Clinton is in her second term. Seniority gives her no major committee chair. And we save one who ACTIVELY campaigned against the head of the party who hands out the favors. What is that thing about biting the hand that feeds?

                    Sen. Byrd, 91, steps down and will be replaced by Inouye, 84. Club of Old Guys?

                    Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living~~Mother Jones

                    by CA Berkeley WV on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 01:14:38 PM PST

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                  •  Must i remind you how (0+ / 0-)

                    "the hammer", Tom Delay, used his position as chairman of homeland security. Well, remember when he used homeland security to track those Texas congressmen? The wrong person in this chairmanship can do a lot of damage to this administration. Don't do it HARRY! Get rid of this McCain/hockey mom supporter.

              •  Political Animal (Steve Benin) (1+ / 0-)
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                makes an excellent point.  His motivation is to steer the investigations going foreward, the same as he has in the past. He blocked investigations that Waxman supported, and now he'll try to investigate the Obama administration at every turn.  Obama cornered this rat bastard in congress one time; and everyone wondered what he told him.  I think he needs to let Harry in on the secret, because Harry is starting to look disloyal to the administration.  What's up with Reid anyway?!  I can't believe he ever boxed professionally.  He seems like a spineless wimp.
          •  and another thing (3+ / 0-)
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            I might even understand him not supporting a Democratic candidate, if that is truely how he felt, but to publicly support the opposition candidate when there are so many differences between the two parties is a slap in the face to all Dems.

            If he wants to caucus with the Dems that is fine, but he should NOT be allowed to hold any position of power in the party.

            "The budget should be balanced; the treasury should be refilled; debt should be reduced; and the arrogance of officials should be controlled." Cicero 106-43 BC

            by TKH on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 12:01:01 PM PST

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        •  He should have given it up long ago (0+ / 0-)

          There comes a time in everyones live where they need to hand the batton off to the next generation - he's a little late but at least he did it.

          The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

          by ctexrep on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 11:54:53 AM PST

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        •  Just Copied This From TPM (15+ / 0-)

          Sort of puts things in perspective...

          Colin McEnroe, from the Hartford Courant ...

             When you consider the plight in which Harry Reid finds himself, consider this: Lieberman, who has broken violently with his party and engaged in campaigning loathsome fear-mongering against the man he once begged to come and save him, holds a prestigious committee chairmanship.

             Hillary Clinton, at the moment, has no chairmanship at all because of the seniority system.

          •  that is outrageous (12+ / 0-)

            I was as vociferous of a Hillary critic as anyone during the primaries, but it was all because of her tactics and campaigning, not her policies. She is a true advocate for the issues that Democrats care about, and she is able to help get other Dems elected. Look at how hard she worked for Barack Obama.  Not only did Hillary herself make many speeches, she mobilized her surrogates and supporters like James Carville, Ed Rendell, and Terry McAuliffe to stump for Obama in swing states and fight hard to get ex-Hillary supporters in his camp.  She is one of the most intelligent, effective, courageous leaders in the Democratic party today, and letting a worthless slimeball like Joe Lieberman have a chairmanship while she sits on the sidelines is pathetic.

            My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington. -Barack Obama

            by WahooMatt on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 12:16:06 PM PST

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        •  Another example that people can definitely (0+ / 0-)

          rehabilitate their reputations in their past and earn honor and respect.  

          "An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot." Thomas Paine

          by Cait Strummer on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 12:02:22 PM PST

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        •  LOL! I needed that laugh.. "old fuckface" (0+ / 0-)

          "A lie repeated, may be accepted as fact, but the truth repeated becomes self evident." -Elonifer Skyhawk

          by Fireshadow on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 12:31:48 PM PST

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      •  Senator in the bathroom, eh? (3+ / 0-)
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        Sounds like he may have been flirting with you.

        At any rate, the change I want to see is Reid getting canned too, the man will never get a back-boner and do the right thing.

        Listen to Noam Chomsky's Necessary Illusions. (mp3!)

        by borkitekt on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 11:55:31 AM PST

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    •  I Think Obama Understands (11+ / 0-)

      that Democrats will be tarred anew as wimps if Lieberman is allowed to retain a committee chairmanship.

    •  Lieberman did more than campaign against Obama (27+ / 0-)

      He also campaigned against down ticket Dems.

      He wrote an op-ed in support of Norm Coleman a few weeks bach.

      Norm F-ing Coleman!!!

      "Load up on guns, bring your friends, it's fun to lose and to pretend" Kurt Cobain-1991

      by Jeff Y on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 11:45:15 AM PST

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