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  •  That Stereotype Doesn't Work (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffersonLives, brein

    Outstate MN does not have socialist leanings due to a Scandinavian heritage among some of the population.  Outstate MN is largely conservative with the exception of the northeast area (Iron Range) which is solidly Democratic but that is based on being pro-union, not liberal.  In the 7 county metro areas only Hennepin (Mpls) and Ramsey (St. Paul) are liberal.  The other 5 suburban counties are moderate to conservative.  Coleman carried all of the 5 suburban counties.

    •  And really, even in Hennepin county (1+ / 0-)
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      as soon as you get west of Golden Valley/St. Louis Park it's pretty conservative (Medina went 63/24 for Coleman).  

    •  Well Outstate MN was pretty socialist (3+ / 0-)
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      behan, parryander, brein

      around the time of the Great Depression with the Farmer-Labor movement.  When it merged with the Democrats they purged the communist sympathizers but a lot of outstate areas do have some radical histories.

      Most of this has faded away outside of the traditional support for unions and the DFL on the Iron Range but there are progressive pockets in Western and South Eastern MN too.

      "Never separate the life you live from the words you speak" -Paul Wellstone

      by WellstoneDem on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 06:29:07 PM PST

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      •  Populist, yes; socialist, no ...... n/t (2+ / 0-)
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        behan, brein

        If we are going to impute a socialist ideology to those in MN of Scandanavian ancestry then what ideology do we impute its German immigrants?  This idea that we have socialist leanings in outstate MN is in a wordy ... nutty.  Anyone who lives here knows that.  The populist message will play in rural MN but there are still very large swaths of social conservatives in outstate MN and they (unfortunately) outnumber any pockets of liberal/progressives and by a rather sizable margin.

        •  I didn't say today, I said in the past (2+ / 0-)
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          noahdb, behan

          The Farmer-Laborites advocated socialist policies. It was the outstate Farmer-Laborites that were far more progressive than the Democratic Party, which ran the Twin Cities as a machine.

          I never really commented on the whole Scandinavian ancestry thing but I think the original Scandinavians and Germans themselves, coming from Northern European countries, favored progressive policies and civic participation, creating the unique political culture that there is in Minnesota.  Im not saying their ancestors share any of those views.

          However, if you look at the counties where the non-partisan league and the Farmer-Labor Party did well, they still tend to be DFL strong-holds.

          "Never separate the life you live from the words you speak" -Paul Wellstone

          by WellstoneDem on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 07:02:05 PM PST

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