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  •  As a religious person (4+ / 0-)

    are you even slightly capable of telling the difference between a legal marriage conducted by a justice of the peace and a sacrament conducted in your church ?

    Because THAT is the topic under discussion with Prop 8 - as a gay person I really don't give a damn if your church wants to perform services for gays or even allow them in the building.

    But I care very much about my rights as a citizen of the US.

    And I am interminably frustrated by religious people who refuse to recognize that there is a difference and want their priests to determine my rights.

    We are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy unless it obstructs interstate commerce. - J. Edgar Hoover

    by tiponeill on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 05:14:34 PM PST

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    •  Yes... (0+ / 0-)

      actually, I think government should be completely out of the marriage business for everyone, with civil contracts between people for whatever reason they want.

      If you can point out where I said what you seem to think I said, be my guest.

      Attacking allies...that's a good approach..

      •  The problem with some allies is that (1+ / 0-)
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        they make the situation worse, not better, by continually confusing civil marriage with religion.

        The government HAS to be in the marriage business because marriage is a legal state - if we kept religion out the legal marriage business it would make more sense.

        In some countries to be legally married you have to see a government offical, and then those people who wish to can go have a religious ceremony  seperately.

        Saying the government should be out of the marriage business just confuses things, which isn't very helpful in a ally

        We are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy unless it obstructs interstate commerce. - J. Edgar Hoover

        by tiponeill on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 05:45:54 PM PST

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        •  Fine... (0+ / 0-)

          go find everyone who thinks just like you do, drive out all the "heretics" from the temple, and....

          you'll be just like the Republican Party is about to be, with a bunch of close-minded social conservatives talking into their own echo chamber.

          Good luck...

          •  How is it closed minded (0+ / 0-)

            to state the fact that civil marriage is a legal entity ?

            I am just trying to prevent rampant confusion which only serves the purposes of the religious right.

            We are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy unless it obstructs interstate commerce. - J. Edgar Hoover

            by tiponeill on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 05:58:12 PM PST

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      •  Nope. (1+ / 0-)
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        Marriage already belongs to the state.  
        No reason to give state property to any priest, preacher, rabbi, minister, shaman, witchdoctor, etc.  

        Let the religious folk keep their sacraments, rituals, rites, ceremonies, and spectacles but don't allow them to touch anybody's civil rights.  

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