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  •  Libertarian...last I read. Did he change his mind (1+ / 0-)
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    and finally come over to the dark side?

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    by cowgirl on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 01:03:08 AM PST

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    •  i didn't know what he labeled himself frankly (3+ / 0-)
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      All I knew is that he used to be a Republican, then either while in the armed forces or when he got out he got out. For a libertarian he sure doesn't seem such on the economic front, or at least that's what I get from the FP stories.

      First person to tell me why Joe Scarborough is such a pissy man who needs baby shampoo gets a cookie (whatever the cafeteria has).

      by ronin122 on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 01:09:04 AM PST

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      •  He's a Gate-crasher (3+ / 0-)
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        Anyone who has a hugely successful site whose stated purpose is to "elect more and better Democrats" just might be a ___ (fill in blank).

        Don't waste donuts. 2 will do.

        by Karl Rover on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 01:13:52 AM PST

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        •  Hey now I'm not dense (1+ / 0-)
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          I was going by cowgirl's words, not what I saw. I mean I know he considers himself a Democrat but that doesn't necessarily say where one leans ideologically (e.g. liberal, right-libertarian).

          First person to tell me why Joe Scarborough is such a pissy man who needs baby shampoo gets a cookie (whatever the cafeteria has).

          by ronin122 on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 01:27:03 AM PST

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          •  Actually, it does (1+ / 0-)
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            Right-wing and Libertarian don't fit with Dem. That is all.

            Don't waste donuts. 2 will do.

            by Karl Rover on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 01:34:05 AM PST

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            •  Well left-libertarian does (1+ / 0-)
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              Libertarian kinda goes wherever, it's kinda dumb.

              First person to tell me why Joe Scarborough is such a pissy man who needs baby shampoo gets a cookie (whatever the cafeteria has).

              by ronin122 on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 01:55:26 AM PST

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              •  Not buying it (1+ / 0-)
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                Libertarians are just Repubs. who want to smoke dope and get laid. They have absolutely no sense of shared responsibility, which is the basis of any Leftism. "Left-libertarian" is an oxymoran.

                Don't waste donuts. 2 will do.

                by Karl Rover on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 02:04:20 AM PST

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                •  Nope, look it up (3+ / 0-)
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                  Left-libertarian is more like anarchist-lite.

                  First person to tell me why Joe Scarborough is such a pissy man who needs baby shampoo gets a cookie (whatever the cafeteria has).

                  by ronin122 on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 02:22:43 AM PST

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                •  According to the political compass (3+ / 0-)
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                  I lean left libertarian (Which is a surprise to me)

                  If you think of Libertarian as the opposite of Authoritarian, perhaps?

                  I don't do drugs, and I'm sure as hell not a repub.

                  I'm just open to change from the current situation.

                  And who doesn't want to get laid?

                  Heh..

                  Economic Left/Right: -7.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.33

                  by wrights on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 03:43:26 AM PST

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                  •  I'm actually a Republican in the formal sense of (1+ / 0-)
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                    the party - fiscal responsibility and less government.  I'm what used to be called a liberal republican - liberal on the social issues but conservative on fiscal issues.

                    Unfortunately, the takeover of the Republican party to the religious right have made liberal Republican an oxymoron.

                    So now I'm just an Obama believer...

                    The election of Barack Obama as President of the United States puts an exclamation point on Democracy!

                    by SnowItch on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 04:37:32 AM PST

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                  •  The political compass isn't all that useful (2+ / 0-)
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                    It's too simplistic, and ignores too many realities of how policies play out in the real world.  The Libertarian Party, for example, opposes taxation and the regulation of business.  Its basic ideal is that government intrusion is always bad, whether that is intrusion into bedrooms or boardrooms.

                    Problem is, in the real world, if government doesn't intrude into boardrooms, we get the financial mess we're living through right now, because left to their own devices business executives will always pursue profit over the common good.  They are required to so so, by law, as they have a fiduciary duty to maximize profits for their shareholders.  (That's the Ford Motor Company case.)

                    What that means, in practical terms, is that a CEO cannot 'behave' better than the law mandates, if that would diminish profits for shareholders, as they invest their money in a business with the expectation of making a profit on that investment, not of doing some 'social good.'

                    So if government doesn't mandate prudence and other social goods, executives are allowed to do that out of their own conscience.  They must choose greed over the common good, unless government mandates the common good.

                    That's why it's difficult to reconcile "Libertarian" with "Liberal."

      •  Looking back, he has labeled himself as (2+ / 0-)
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        either Libertarian or Progressive...and referred to at least some people as "Liberal weenies", lol.  I was just going by self labels even though we all support the Ds.
        :-)

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        Cory Booker 2016

        by cowgirl on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 01:17:09 AM PST

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        •  So probably this? (3+ / 0-)
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          Left socially, centrist economically?

          First person to tell me why Joe Scarborough is such a pissy man who needs baby shampoo gets a cookie (whatever the cafeteria has).

          by ronin122 on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 01:27:43 AM PST

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          •  hahah Labels ARRRGGGHH!! (1+ / 0-)
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            proud "independent" here mostly b/c it mot the label but the policy that matters.

            geez we need to learn to get past these dumb assed labels. Didnt we learn anything from this election? about 30% of each party gives a flying shot about party affiliation. the rest of the country wants to knwo what a president plans to do. That. is. all. that. matters.

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