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  •  Not buying it (1+ / 0-)
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    Libertarians are just Repubs. who want to smoke dope and get laid. They have absolutely no sense of shared responsibility, which is the basis of any Leftism. "Left-libertarian" is an oxymoran.

    Don't waste donuts. 2 will do.

    by Karl Rover on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 02:04:20 AM PST

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    •  Nope, look it up (3+ / 0-)
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      SnowItch, Marja E, Amayi

      Left-libertarian is more like anarchist-lite.

      First person to tell me why Joe Scarborough is such a pissy man who needs baby shampoo gets a cookie (whatever the cafeteria has).

      by ronin122 on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 02:22:43 AM PST

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    •  According to the political compass (3+ / 0-)
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      Scubaval, SnowItch, Amayi

      I lean left libertarian (Which is a surprise to me)

      If you think of Libertarian as the opposite of Authoritarian, perhaps?

      I don't do drugs, and I'm sure as hell not a repub.

      I'm just open to change from the current situation.

      And who doesn't want to get laid?


      Economic Left/Right: -7.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.33

      by wrights on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 03:43:26 AM PST

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      •  I'm actually a Republican in the formal sense of (1+ / 0-)
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        the party - fiscal responsibility and less government.  I'm what used to be called a liberal republican - liberal on the social issues but conservative on fiscal issues.

        Unfortunately, the takeover of the Republican party to the religious right have made liberal Republican an oxymoron.

        So now I'm just an Obama believer...

        The election of Barack Obama as President of the United States puts an exclamation point on Democracy!

        by SnowItch on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 04:37:32 AM PST

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      •  The political compass isn't all that useful (2+ / 0-)
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        It's too simplistic, and ignores too many realities of how policies play out in the real world.  The Libertarian Party, for example, opposes taxation and the regulation of business.  Its basic ideal is that government intrusion is always bad, whether that is intrusion into bedrooms or boardrooms.

        Problem is, in the real world, if government doesn't intrude into boardrooms, we get the financial mess we're living through right now, because left to their own devices business executives will always pursue profit over the common good.  They are required to so so, by law, as they have a fiduciary duty to maximize profits for their shareholders.  (That's the Ford Motor Company case.)

        What that means, in practical terms, is that a CEO cannot 'behave' better than the law mandates, if that would diminish profits for shareholders, as they invest their money in a business with the expectation of making a profit on that investment, not of doing some 'social good.'

        So if government doesn't mandate prudence and other social goods, executives are allowed to do that out of their own conscience.  They must choose greed over the common good, unless government mandates the common good.

        That's why it's difficult to reconcile "Libertarian" with "Liberal."

        •  Actually, I think there's a difference (2+ / 0-)
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          Marja E, Amayi

          Between "Libertarian" on the political compass, and the Libertarian party.

          Economic Left/Right: -7.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.33

          by wrights on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 07:02:49 AM PST

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