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  •  I'm With You (5+ / 0-)
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    norm, scrape, SallyCat, homogenius, KentuckyKat

    I spent my time and money before Election Day on Equality California, and felt it somewhat amateurish (to say the least). I have a friend working with Lambda Legal, but haven't been able to get in touch yet to ask questions of him. HRC lost my support a couple of years back (and I honestly didn't think to include them, although I suppose they should be yet ANOTHER option for some).

    It's a lot to try and decipher.

    •  I, too, gave (a lot) to EqCA (3+ / 0-)
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      norm, RNinNC, homogenius

      and, in retrospect, feel they did a piss-poor job overall. They wasted my money and my time.

      Here's a telling sign: The "No on 8" yard signs and bumper stickers all had green check-marks, which I thought was a bit odd at the time. Especially from these people who purported to know so much about messaging and framing. NOW their website (and many signs) show red x-es. Duh! Green check mark for the illiterate: universal sign for YES. Red x for the illiterate: universal sign for NO. Designer, please! (Go deeper than a few pages into their sites, or look at any of their PDFs, and you'll still see the green checks...)

      Early on, they paid for a bunch of research on "messaging" and "framing" -- and I think it turns out they were too clever by half. Their early ads (esp. the Hispanic wedding ad) were weak and confusing... a waste of time and energy.

      And their inability/slowness to respond to the negative ads that were sure to come... real disappointment.

      Also, my experience with their phonebanking (in comparison with my experience with Obama phonebanking)... night and day. These people were waging a 1992 campaign in 2008.

      I'm holding off until a group who shows they know what they're doing comes forth.

      I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it. - Dwight D. Eisenhower

      by scrape on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 02:08:32 PM PST

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      •  Our Ads Were Awful (4+ / 0-)
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        norm, scrape, SallyCat, homogenius

        and I don't wanna give to any group that might do an equally amateur job of the court fight.

        •  In Hind Sight (5+ / 0-)
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          scrape, RNinNC, LuvSet, SallyCat, homogenius

          the Equality groups are probably the worst.  Equality Colorado ran a worse campaign back in 1992, from everything I saw advertised and their response to the Yes ads, at that time.

          Sixteen years later, and I feel nothing has really been learned.  I started to, but stopped (because it was depressing me) reading a scholarly book about the anti-gay initiative campaigns that were waged back in the 90's.  I feel like maybe if we read about it and learn from it, maybe we as grassroots activists can learn something that the consultants apparently do not.

          •  Consultants first learn how to get paid. (4+ / 0-)
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            norm, RNinNC, SallyCat, homogenius

            Everything else is secondary.

            The people running the campaigns -- those in charge of the campaigns and hiring the consultants -- are the ones who really merit our disapproval.

            I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it. - Dwight D. Eisenhower

            by scrape on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 02:43:32 PM PST

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      •  I Think I ended up giving No on 8 (4+ / 0-)
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        scrape, RNinNC, SallyCat, homogenius

        almost $500--that is money that could've gone to Charlie Brown, Bill Durston, to a general election protection fund across the country, because I needed to focus on my rights, somehow.  And I'm really ticked off at them.

      •  I'd love to hear from someone inside EqCA (1+ / 0-)
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        RNinNC

        and the whole "alliance": When exactly did they realize the green checkmarks weren't such a good idea, and switch to the red x-es. (From what I've seen, it appears it was only AFTER losing on the 4th.)

        I don't remember receiving any announcement or apology to contributors, that they had squandered our money on confusing (perhaps even counterproductive) signs. And I don't mean to suggest that this whole green checkmark, red x issue is the key to success or failure... but it's emblematic of the incompetence.

        They're busily scrubbing their websites... move along, nothing to see here. Using what's left of our money in staff time to erase their mistakes AFTER THE LOSS.

        "What's that... green checkmarks? Are you mad!?!?! They were ALWAYS red x-es!"

        (Unfortunately, the signs are still in yards, the stickers still on cars. You can't scrub away all the evidence of incompetence.)

        I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it. - Dwight D. Eisenhower

        by scrape on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 02:53:32 PM PST

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