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  •  Re: Re: Please enlighten us (none)
    "I've tried to provide evidence and reasons for my opinions.  You tend to state your opinions, for example, your negative opinion of (what you call) Taba, without trying to back them up."

    I believe I've been quite clear and specific upthread in response to you about why I think the Israeli offer at Taba was outrageous.

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    The core of your criticism of Arafat seems to be that he didn't respond the way you (and Bill Clinton) would have liked him to at Taba.

    Here are some possible readings of what actually happened there:

    1. The Israelis weren't interested in a reasonable agreement.
    2. The Palestinians weren't interested in a reasonable agreement.
    3. The Israelis were interested in a reasonable agreement, but negotiated disasterously.
    4. The Palestinians were interested in a reasonable agreement, but negotiated disasterously.

    To me, it seems clear that option #1 is the best representation of the actual events, although #3 is a also a possible representation.

    Arafat's negotiating stance was to (correctly, IMHO) regard the Israeli offer as a non-starter, and see if the Israelis were willing to take a more responsible negotiating stance.  One can question Arafat's tactics, but they're not as absurd as you paint them out to be.

    The right of return is the Palestinians' only real negotiating card, and it should not be handed over lightly.  A fair deal is necessary to resolve this conflict, not a deal based on Israel's miltary triumphs.  Arafat certainly was right not to have given away outrageous permanent concessions solely in order to help Labor win an election.

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    "The troll rating was for a single post outside our conversation in which you called someone else a "scumbag."  I thought the (impolite) comment unwarranted and deserving of a "1" rating."

    No problem.  In the true spirit of Israeli military "proportional response", I troll-rated 3 of your comments.

    •  Good-bye (none)
      Although my posts invariably have been both substantive and polite, you troll rated three of my posts because I did so to a post in which you called someone a "scumbag."  Since that is how you choose to behave, I see no point further conversation with you and will treat your ratings as a badge of honor.
      •  Re: Good-bye (none)
        "Although my posts invariably have been both substantive and polite, you troll rated three of my posts because I did so to a post.."

        Like I said, I was just trying to follow the Israeli military doctrine of "proportional response".

        "I see no point further conversation with you..."

        Cheers.  I hope you someday see clearly the meaning of the Israeli intrasigence over the occupation.

        You claim not to defend the settlements.  You claim not to defend the Israeli stance at Taba.  I hope you see someday what the policies you claim not to defend all add up to.

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