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  •  The Palestinians electricty was cut off the (9+ / 0-)

    other day also.  They are living in complete darkness.  Israel should be ashamed.

    http://www.democracynow.org/...

    This is what I never understood about this situation.  They want continuous sympathy for the crimes against Jews in Germany, while they commit worse crimes against the Palestinians.  The only differnence is Germany they were put in gas chambers, died quickly in allot of cases.  The Palestinians are made to suffer into slow deaths.

    Its just so unfair and you wonder why they set of Rockets inside Israel. I'm not justifying this, but two wrongs don't make a right.

    •  The most shameful thing to me is how, from (1+ / 0-)
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      the beginning, the plans outlined by Meir, Dayan (I think), and Ben-Gurion followed a terrifying parallel to the obliteration of the Jews in WWII: first, limit their trade; then confine them geographically; and when all else fails, kill them.

      What were they thinking?  And how much of that thinking still poisons the minds of Israeli government, military, and citizens today?

      I am ashamed they call themselves Jews.  We were freed: it's our historic imperative to ensure that all others gain our same freedom.  It is, in no small part, why we were so quick to join the Civil Rights movement.

      I saw the Berlin Wall fall, and I saw Mandela walk free; I saw a dream whose time has come... -- Johnny Clegg

      by Yasuragi on Wed Nov 12, 2008 at 08:44:13 AM PST

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    •  The rockets started, the blockade was a response (0+ / 0-)

      Your argument can be flipped 180 degrees and it's the same argument.

      I don't agree with the blockade either however Israel needs to do something when they're under rocket attack from territory they don't occupy.  What're they gonna do, re-invade and kill a bunch of people in the process?

      •  Before making absurd claims like that (3+ / 0-)
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        why not try reading some human rights reports? For example, even before the latest outbreak of violence, there was virtually "no improvement in the movement of goods and people in and out of Gaza". Gaza remained in a state of "virtual siege" (.pdf) in which "[s]hortages of electricity, fuel, safe water and sanitation framed] daily life." The blockade began when Hamas took office in early 2006, intensified when it took over Gaza in June 2007, reached its peak in early 2008 and has continued virtually unabated ever since. None of this is controversial - you just have to spend a bit of time reading what the experts have to say before make these grand proclamations.

        •  Actually the blockade was significantly reduced (2+ / 0-)
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          on all fronts when they reached a state of peace and quiet a couple months ago.

          Now, Israel instigated the most recent round of fighting and I hold them at fault for it, they should've stayed out of Gaza.  Once the rockets started in response, they should've showed more restraint in imposing the blockade, let a few nights of it go unnoticed first.

          That being said, do you wholesale reject any methods of retaliation for rocket launches from territory that Israel does not occupy?  Let's get it out on the table.

          •  Interesting . . . no response. (1+ / 0-)
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          •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

            The international agencies all report that it was either not eased or eased only very slightly. The blockade was never lifted. (read my previous two or three diaries for loads of links to this effect: the UN, UNRWA, Oxfam, Christian Aid, UN OCHA, World Bank, etc.).

            "That being said, do you wholesale reject any methods of retaliation for rocket launches from territory that Israel does not occupy?"

            Israel occupies Gaza, and violence is only justified if it is the absolute last resort, when all diplomatic means of resolving a conflict have been exhausted. Israel has refused to even begin exploring these diplomatic means. Collective punishment is never justified - that's not just my opinion, it's the law. For over two years now Israel, together with the U.S. and the EU, has inflicted possibly the most severe international sanctions imposed in modern times on a people who were already undergoing what the World Bank described as the worst economic depression in modern history and who were already suffering sub-Saharan rates of malnutrition. That's why when Israel began restricting the import of medicine in to Gaza, people didn't just get sick: they died. The proportion of deaths among hospitalised neonates in Gaza's pediatric hospitals, for example, increased by 23% within a year.

            But let me ask you something. No one disputes that Israel has violated the truce repeatedly, and no one disputes that the Palestinians do not occupy Israel. So do you reject wholesale any methods of retaliation by Palestinians for attacks by Israel? Should Palestinian organisations start attacking Israel's pediatric hospitals as well? Should Palestinian organisation start bombing Israel's fuel stations and power plants?  

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