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  •  that's true (9+ / 0-)

    and it's the employees of those companies best equipped to make that determination.

    when you finish, strive again
    and in your lord, aspire

    by zeke L on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 09:32:25 AM PST

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    •  Agreed (1+ / 0-)
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      pollyusa

      No one disagrees with you.

      I'd just as soon let employees make their choice in private, particularly in smaller prospective bargaining units.

      The question here isn't whether letting workers decide is a good thing.  The question here is how best to effectuate their will.

      The original post in this string suggested that opposition to card check means opposition to better wages-- and that's a gross simplification.

      •  so will you explain that? (2+ / 0-)
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        Big Tex, kyril

        opposition to card check means opposition to better wages

        What reasons are there to oppose the EFCA, and card check in particular, except those reasons motivated by a desire to restrict wages and benefits?

        I find the assertion that there are other reasons very interesting, and I would like to know the basis of that belief.

        •  Wages and benefits are only one aspect... (1+ / 0-)
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          pollyusa

          ...of the "bargain" occasioned by a unionized workplace.

          The second order effects of unionization are often much more crippling for fledgling businesses, including the ability to hold workers truly accountable [given the near uniformity of progressive discipline in all union contracts] and the inability to maintain flexibility to meet the dictates of the business cycle.  There's also the issue of work rules (which in many cases are good for worker safety but in other cases hamper efficiency unnecessarily).

          EFCA will certainly increase unionization.  And that, on balance, makes for good policy (and higher wages/ better benefits for some segments of the economy)-- but it will hurt some smaller employers and strangle some businesses in the beds.  The worker with a job at a defunct company will not appreciate your straight line correlation between card check and higher wages.

          I would just prefer that the wisdom of these businesses' workers be exercised without undue influence by either side.  

          •  so you don't trust workers? (0+ / 0-)

            This is essentially a core talking point of U Chicago economists, authoritarian corporatists, laissez-faires, or whatever you want to call them. I don't know if you realize this?

            We can't trust workers to vote on unionization, because they might make a union, and then the union they make might run the company into the ground.

            Some version of that scare mongering is raised every time unions, and worker rights in general, are discussed.

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